From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Easy Customization node in Info says save in your .emacs Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:20:28 -0800 Message-ID: References: <00db01c4dbe0$4d3d5980$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1102371719 8832 80.91.229.6 (6 Dec 2004 22:21:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 06 23:21:52 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CbREu-0001w4-00 for ; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:21:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbROg-0001S2-4f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:31:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbROX-0001RO-Hc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:31:49 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CbROW-0001Qx-MX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:31:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CbROW-0001Qu-I1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:31:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.228] (helo=agminet01.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CbREd-0003Fj-SO; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:21:36 -0500 Original-Received: from agminet01.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB6MLWAv023122; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:21:33 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB6MLV6Z023104; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:21:31 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id iB6MKoST018213; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:21:00 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id iB6MKTPv018023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:20:39 -0700 Original-To: "Lennart Borgman" , "Kevin Rodgers" , "Emacs Devel" , "Richard Stallman" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00db01c4dbe0$4d3d5980$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:30775 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:30775 > > That change would make more complexity for beginners. > > It is better not to let these obscure features get in the way > > of explaining the normal case. > > I doubt even beginners would find the notion of a default custom-file > name to be complex. I agree and instead I think the beginners do have trouble finding out that you could use custom-file. That was at least what I had. I agree. Not telling people about custom-file and .emacs up front will only lead to their becoming confused and frustrated. If customize is the preferred way for beginners to change settings, then even (especially?) beginners need to be told about custom-file and .emacs; there is no way around that. We can try to make things simple and straightforward, but I don't think we can consider custom-file to be an "obscure feature".