From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:34:36 -0800 Message-ID: References: <200502020103.j1213U805651@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107308869 2009 80.91.229.2 (2 Feb 2005 01:47:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 01:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 02 02:47:49 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw9cJ-0003EN-72 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:47:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw9pK-0003H6-V6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:01:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw9n0-0002P7-4x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:58:42 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw9mp-0002IX-5k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:58:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw9mk-0002Eg-6E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:58:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.230] (helo=agminet03.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1Cw9Po-00044F-BH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:34:44 -0500 Original-Received: from agminet03.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j121Yh7e009013 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:34:43 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j121Yg5V008995 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:34:42 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j121YfRd003428 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:34:41 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-whq-csvpn-gw3-141-144-81-59.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.81.59]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j121Yei6003420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 18:34:41 -0700 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200502020103.j1213U805651@raven.dms.auburn.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32740 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32740 If I remember correctly, ...autoloaded defcustoms... Whew! What a lot of information. I hope this is documented somewhere, so that others can be privy to it too. Thank you. this feature is scheduled for elimination, because it creates incompatibility between different Emacs versions. That's the first time I've seen reference to such a backward-compatibility concern - and I'm glad to see it. I don't say the concern has never been there, but this is the first time _I've_ seen a hint of it. (At least as far as Lisp is concerned - I admit that I've seen concern about legacy user interaction.) Whenever I voice such concern I usually get replies like "just update to the latest". Unless of course you didn't mean different versions in the sense of 19, 20, 21, but in some other sense (Windows vs GNU/Linux; Chinese vs Arabic; graphic vs text-only; color vs B&W; metric vs English; ...).