From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Emacs Explorer? Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:56:43 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1081987103 11497 80.91.224.253 (14 Apr 2004 23:58:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 23:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 15 01:58:13 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BDuGj-0002nI-00 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:58:13 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BDuGi-0001E0-00 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:58:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BDuG3-0007qv-MK for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:57:31 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BDuFx-0007qS-Ld for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:57:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BDuFR-0007lf-DJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:57:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [148.87.2.201] (helo=inet-mail1.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.30) id 1BDuFQ-0007kp-Sq; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:56:53 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw5.us.oracle.com (rgmgw5.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.14]) by inet-mail1.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i3ENve2l022828; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from rgmgw5.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw5.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.5/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id i3ENujE04568; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:56:45 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmgw5.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.5/Switch-2.1.0) with SMTP id i3ENuiE04558; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Original-To: "Jason Rumney" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:21665 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:21665 Thanks for the info, Jason! I wasn't aware of dired-dd. I just downloaded it and checked it out. FYI - It does a lot more than the minor tweaks I mentioned (in particular, it does drag-&-drop). (It also does less than some of my code; it's ~complementary, in fact.) I can't say that I would propose the dired-dd user interface as a model for an Emacs Explorer (or its code as a model of elisp programming!), but it's good to see a drag-&-drop prototype. I realize that you didn't propose dired-dd as a model. Do you actually use it? I'd like to see something in Dired as user-friendly and useful as what Windows Explorer offers. Things like drag-&-drop can be quite error prone, so the user interface needs to be very good (good feedback etc.). Code like dired-dd (and my dired+) provides only baby steps toward the functionality of WE - Emacs dev could do a lot better. WE is a model to copy or learn from; dired-dd is probably not. Thanks, Drew P.S. Hope you don't mind my cc'ing the list. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Rumney [mailto:jasonr@gnu.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:32 PM To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: Emacs Explorer? "Drew Adams" writes: > FYI - I've added a couple of the really *minor* Windows-Explorer features to > my own dired: > > . To select multiple files, you can click MB1 then Shift-click MB1, or just > MB1-drag a region. > . Context-dependent MB3 popup menu (operates on all files in the region or > the single pointed file). Have you seen dired-dd? I think I found it on gnu.emacs.sources about a year ago. It probably has what you've added and more.