From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: typo in frame.el Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:03:05 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1081552086 18223 80.91.224.253 (9 Apr 2004 23:08:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 23:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Simon Josefsson Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 10 01:07:56 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BC56J-0006Ii-00 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 01:07:55 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BC56F-0003d3-00 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 01:07:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BC551-0004E1-Qi for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:06:35 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BC53w-00047C-8h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:05:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BC52N-0002ip-Aj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:04:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.231] (helo=agminet04.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.30) id 1BC528-0002ZR-N4; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:03:37 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw5.us.oracle.com (rgmgw5.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.14]) by agminet04.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i39N3CfB011822; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 16:03:12 -0700 Original-Received: from rgmgw5.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw5.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.5/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id i39N3AE25536; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:03:10 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-vpn-gw2-east-141-144-83-132.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.83.132]) by rgmgw5.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.5/Switch-2.1.0) with SMTP id i39N39E25517; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:03:09 -0600 (MDT) Original-To: "David Kastrup" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:21422 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:21422 "Uncle!" (= I give up.) Please don't take my Friday frivolity wrong. Work to make Emacs more text-processing-oriented for non-programmers is wonderful. Emacs is great, and will be better still with your additions, David. And your last paragraph is very similar to what I wrote in the beginning (see next), so I think we (at least the two of us) can agree on "iff". My proposal of "<=>" was in the interest of "internationalism". Here's what I wrote earlier: > At the very worst, someone unacquainted with the meaning of "iff" will > likely interpret it as "if" (and as an benign typo), so there is no harm > done in using it: (the most important) half of its meaning is always > conveyed. Here is the need, as I see it: something short to convey "if and only if" (equivalence). As I don't see a universally common candidate, I suggest that whatever convention is used ("iff", whatever) is explained in the Emacs manual. That's all. And, if you use an abbreviation (like "iff") in the first doc-string line, you can always explain things more clearly in the rest of the doc string (e.g. "if and only if"). Cheers, - Drew -----Original Message----- From: dak@lola.goethe.zz [mailto:dak@lola.goethe.zz]On Behalf Of David Kastrup Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 3:37 PM To: Drew Adams Cc: Simon Josefsson; emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: typo in frame.el ... Really, I don't know why I am working on getting AUCTeX and preview-latex to create easy interfaces to WYSIWYG LaTeX creation. I am working hard to provide an increasingly compelling environment also for non-programmers for text processing. I just fail to see what purpose <=> would serve that could not be done otherwise. Even "iff" is wagonloads better. People that don't understand that terminology are probably prone to not interpreting "if" in the mathematical way, anyhow. So if they consider it as a typo and apply the everyday meaning of "if" to it instead of the mathematical meaning, they are pretty much fine.