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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: Customize buttons that change user'scustomfileshouldaskforconfirmation
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:20:23 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <FDELKNEBLPKKDCEBEJCBMEAECMAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1CzNzx-0004R1C@rattlesnake.com>

    The key is to satisfy both novices and experts....
    Provide a good default interface for novices and also a way for
    that novice to become an expert without too much trouble....
    That is why Customize should not only do its job, but make
    it easy for a person to learn.

I don't agree with some of the detailed proposals you've made - for example,
I agree with Kim that your history-of-values display would be overkill and
confusing.

However, I do agree that Customize should do these things, in order of
priority:

1. "Do its job", as you put it:

 - make it easy for anyone, including a non-Lisper, to customize options
 - provide an easy-to-use options browser

2. Facilitate learning more about Emacs - Lisp, in particular.

#1 is far more important than #2. #2 should never interfere with #1. In
particular, the UI should not be made more complex in order to promote #2.

But Customize should not act as an obstacle to understanding what's under
the hood - it should facilitate that learning, but not require it or impose
it. Your analogy with menu items that show corresponding key sequences is a
good one. Simple information bridges like that help users be more effective.

As I mentioned long ago, I think that simple links in Customize to a) the
current Lisp value of an option and b) the defining source code, as are
available in `C-h v', would be unobtrusive and quite helpful.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-12 18:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-10 17:25 Customize buttons that change user'scustomfileshouldaskforconfirmation Robert J. Chassell
2005-02-10 18:25 ` David Kastrup
2005-02-10 19:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-02-10 22:49   ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-02-10 21:39 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-02-10 23:45   ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-02-11  0:54     ` David Kastrup
2005-02-12  8:38       ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-12 18:20     ` Drew Adams [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-12 18:04 Customize buttons that change user's customfileshouldaskforconfirmation Drew Adams
2005-02-12 18:45 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-12 21:01   ` Customize buttons that change user'scustomfileshouldaskforconfirmation Lennart Borgman
2005-02-12 21:21     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-12 21:28       ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-12 21:42         ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-14  2:07   ` Drew Adams
2005-02-14  2:21     ` Drew Adams
2005-02-14  3:32     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-02-09 20:31 Customize buttons that change user's customfileshouldaskforconfirmation Robert J. Chassell
2005-02-09 21:27 ` Customize buttons that change user'scustomfileshouldaskforconfirmation Drew Adams
2005-02-10 14:42   ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-02-10 15:20     ` Kim F. Storm
2005-02-07  7:34 Customize buttons that change user's customfileshouldaskforconfirmation Drew Adams
2005-02-07 17:28 ` Customize buttons that change user'scustomfileshouldaskforconfirmation Drew Adams
2005-02-07 20:23   ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-02-07 20:26   ` Lennart Borgman
2005-02-08 11:46     ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-07  5:32 Customize buttons that change user's custom fileshouldaskforconfirmation Drew Adams
2005-02-07  7:25 ` Customize buttons that change user's customfileshouldaskforconfirmation Lennart Borgman
2005-02-07 13:45   ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-02-07 16:46     ` Customize buttons that change user'scustomfileshouldaskforconfirmation Lennart Borgman
2005-02-07 14:15   ` Customize buttons that change user's customfileshouldaskforconfirmation Robert J. Chassell
2005-02-07 16:23     ` Customize buttons that change user'scustomfileshouldaskforconfirmation Lennart Borgman
2005-02-07 20:22       ` Robert J. Chassell

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