From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Getting more info on a variable in Customize buffers
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:52:57 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <FDELKNEBLPKKDCEBEJCBKEMLCKAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200501022044.j02KiBL08651@raven.dms.auburn.edu>
However, that seems to show the _initial expression_
(written in the code), which is not the same as the
current value of the variable. I still don't see any
way to obtain the current value as a sexp, without
using `C-h v'.
I did not look at the source code, but from experimentation, it
appears that the _saved_ value is shown. (Or the default value if
there is no saved value.) A value set for the current session only is
ignored. I do not know the motivation for this behavior. I never
noticed, because I seldom use Custom to set something for the current
session only.
So, it sounds like perhaps we should reconsider what the aim of this
so-called "initial Lisp expression" is. What is the need that its display is
meant to satisfy?
Is it supposed to show the defining _expression_ that yields the initial
value (what its name suggests)? Is it supposed to show the (sexp-form of)
the last saved value, as you say it does? Is it supposed to show the
currently set (but perhaps not saved) value as a sexp?
To me, the last of these is the most useful - it is what `C-h v' shows. I
can get the initial defining expression from the source code. And I'm not
very interested in knowing the last saved value (I can get it from .emacs or
custom-file, if I need it).
Once we decide what this is for, or what it should be for, we can pick a
good menu-item name for it.
Other opinions? Or are we misunderstanding what this is about?
- Drew
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-01-02 23:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-02 6:41 Getting more info on a variable in Customize buffers Drew Adams
2005-01-02 13:27 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-02 19:48 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-02 20:44 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-02 23:52 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2005-01-03 16:55 ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-01-03 17:13 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-03 17:20 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-03 17:57 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-04 9:03 ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-01-04 9:10 ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-01-04 9:26 ` Miles Bader
2005-01-04 10:16 ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-01-04 15:55 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-04 18:12 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-04 18:27 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-04 19:50 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-05 8:33 ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-01-05 17:50 ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-01-02 20:25 ` Reiner Steib
2005-01-02 20:34 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-01-02 23:52 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-03 0:35 ` Stefan
2005-01-03 1:57 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-03 17:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-01-03 20:45 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-04 9:46 ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-01-04 18:12 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-05 3:31 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-05 17:31 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-05 20:48 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-01-05 21:43 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-05 21:54 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-01-06 9:06 ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-01-06 15:26 ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-01-06 20:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-01-06 19:05 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-06 19:55 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-06 20:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-01-24 22:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-01-09 3:23 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-04 9:24 ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-01-04 14:13 ` Stefan
2005-01-04 19:54 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-04 20:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-01-05 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-05 20:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-01-06 19:56 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-05 8:48 ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-01-03 17:47 ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-01-03 20:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-01-04 1:58 ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-01-03 7:51 ` David Kastrup
2005-01-04 0:54 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-05 3:31 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-05 4:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-01-06 3:46 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-06 13:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-01-07 2:49 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-06 19:56 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-07 4:17 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-07 23:04 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-04 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-03 17:28 ` drkm
2005-01-03 18:16 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-01-03 18:56 ` drkm
2005-01-04 9:49 ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-01-04 9:32 ` Per Abrahamsen
2005-01-04 12:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2005-01-04 18:12 ` Drew Adams
2005-01-03 0:58 ` Richard Stallman
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