From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.sources Subject: RE: pop-up tool-bar Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:15:43 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1097169389 22172 80.91.229.6 (7 Oct 2004 17:16:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org, Emacs-Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 07 19:16:19 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CFbsI-0006Ux-00 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:16:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFbz3-0005kf-5s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:23:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CFbye-0005eC-K5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:22:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CFbyd-0005dd-7S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:22:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFbyd-0005dS-34; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:22:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.229] (helo=agminet02.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CFbrm-0008EN-34; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:15:46 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (rgmgw3.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.12]) by agminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i97HFiEA014604; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:15:44 -0700 Original-Received: from rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i97HFhfl007683; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:15:43 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id i97HFhmW007663; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:15:43 -0600 Original-To: "Stefan Monnier" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28044 gmane.emacs.sources:1002 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28044 I wanted to make that possibility available too, but didn't know how, from Lisp. How is it done? That behavior (just as the behavior I provided) should be a user option. I can imagine lots of people (including me) _not_ wanting the tool-bar popping up each time they move the mouse into the menu-bar area! But, I definitely agree that other people would like that behavior, and it would be good to provide it. Please tell us how. Likewise, for a disappearing menu-bar. I personally hate such behavior (e.g. Windows "Auto-hide the taskbar" option). But I know that some people like it, especially when real estate is limited (e.g. on a laptop). - Drew -----Original Message----- From: emacs-devel-bounces+drew.adams=oracle.com@gnu.org [mailto:emacs-devel-bounces+drew.adams=oracle.com@gnu.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Monnier Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:14 AM To: Drew Adams Cc: gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org; Emacs-Devel Subject: Re: pop-up tool-bar > The idea is to _conserve frame real estate_ but still have quick access to > the tool-bar: No reason to have a tool-bar on each frame. No reason to have > a tool-bar visible all the time; just pop it up when you need it. The way I see it, the "Tool Bar button" should be the menubar itself, so that whenever the mouse moves into the menubar area, the toolbar pops up (or slides down ;-). The same could be done to the menu bar. This "auto hide" trick is one of the rare developments in GUI-stuff that I find interesting (not that it's new, tho: it's basically the same as the "pop up scrollbars" of SmallTalk). Stefan _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel