From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Getting more info on a variable in Customize buffers Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:52:53 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1104710034 13125 80.91.229.6 (2 Jan 2005 23:53:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 03 00:53:48 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ClFXf-00081W-00 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:53:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1ClFin-0007xC-6R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:05:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1ClFiO-0007x7-4T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:04:53 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1ClFiM-0007wn-Cg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:04:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1ClFiL-0007wi-IF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:04:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [148.87.2.204] (helo=inet-mail4.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1ClFXC-0002cb-JF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 18:53:18 -0500 Original-Received: from inet-mail4.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet-mail4.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j02NrEhb003275; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:53:14 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by inet-mail4.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j02NrBNK003256; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:53:12 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j02NrBhc012062; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:53:11 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw1-141-144-64-253.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.64.253]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j02NrAxA012049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:53:11 -0700 Original-To: "Reiner Steib" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31704 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31704 ,----[ C-h v custom-unlispify-tag-names RET ] | custom-unlispify-tag-names's value is nil | | Display tag names as words instead of symbols if non nil. | | You can customize this variable. `---- This is good to know. Thanks. As is often the case, what I think is sorely missing is already there - I just didn't know about it. Some minor problems I see in 21.3.50 from July 27 (maybe fixed since then): - You need to load `cus-edit.el' to see this variable (not a great problem, but it would be good to have it autoloaded). - Changing it from t (default) to nil, and even setting it for the current session, and even saving it for future sessions is not reflected in the current current Customize buffer itself. How about a button that toggles `custom-unlispify-tag-names' and re-displays the buffer? I suggested that each variable name itself serve as a toggle - click it to change display of the name locally (but not change the variable `custom-unlispify-tag-names'). Another omnipresent button just for toggling `custom-unlispify-tag-names' might be overkill, but I agree that the option `custom-unlispify-tag-names' should somehow be a bit more noticeable. What about 1) having click-a-name-to-toggle-its-display-type, as I just mentioned, and 2) display a message in the echo area when you do this, saying that you can use `custom-unlispify-tag-names' to set the custom display type globally. Finding this (oddly named) option would then be fairly easy and common. Thanks too for the other info you mentioned. Luc mentioned many of the same things, so see my reply to him. - Drew