From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Emacs Explorer? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:43:22 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <2DDEC7EC-947D-11D8-AF29-000D93505B76@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1082662959 8234 80.91.224.253 (22 Apr 2004 19:42:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Miles Bader , emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 22 21:42:28 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BGk5c-0006dt-00 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:42:28 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BGk5c-000659-00 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:42:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BGjv7-0003cY-1K for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:31:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BGjrw-00033Y-Uf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:28:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BGjlG-0000bz-3Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:21:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.231] (helo=agminet04.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.30) id 1BGjPT-0003nL-WB; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:58:56 -0400 Original-Received: from agminet04.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet04.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i3MIvlQ5016554; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:58:54 -0700 Original-Received: from rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (rgmgw3.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.12]) by agminet04.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i3MHhPPD025143; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:43:57 -0700 Original-Received: from rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i3MHhOV7005873; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:43:24 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id i3MHhNrh005819; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:43:24 -0600 Original-To: "Jan D." X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <2DDEC7EC-947D-11D8-AF29-000D93505B76@swipnet.se> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22043 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22043 I thought we were talking here about dragging text within Emacs (only). A previous discussion covered dragging text between applications and dragging files (in general). Perhaps I'm wrong. emacs -q: MB1, MB3, MB3 again at *same place* kills region (Emacs 20). By MB1332, I meant move text using the mouse: click MB1 here, click MB3 there (same buffer - defines region), click MB3 again at same location (kills region), click MB2 there (anywhere - pastes region). 4 clicks. Forget I mentioned MB1drag32: my bad - you need to do MB1drag332, which is extra work. I saw the argument for providing something folks are already used to outside Emacs. I just didn't see why this would be favored in Emacs by you folks, who are used to the Emacs mouse. I thought maybe I was missing something. Thanks for these reasons: better feedback and converting copy<->cut while dragging. - Drew -----Original Message----- From: Jan D. [mailto:jan.h.d@swipnet.se] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:51 AM To: Drew Adams Cc: Jason Rumney; Miles Bader; emacs-devel@gnu.org; rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: Emacs Explorer? > Those of you who use Emacs and also drag text: What is the advantage? > Since > the region is automatically copied to the kill-buffer, and an MB3 click > kills it, and an MB2 click pastes it elsewhere, how could dragging be > easier > (than MB1332 or MB1drag32)? I don't get it. What do you mean by MB1332 and MB1drag32? If we ignore dragging to other applications for now, it is mostly what you are used to. Many applications do not paste on MB2, so if you have the habit of using DND, that is what you like to do. BTW, MB3 does not kill the region for me (emacs -q), it extends it. Then there are other details, like the visual feedback is better for DND. You can often change a copy to a cut/paste or vice versa by a press of a button when the drag is ongoing. Jan D.