From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: typo in frame.el Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:57:39 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1081548112 11228 80.91.224.253 (9 Apr 2004 22:01:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Simon Josefsson Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 10 00:01:45 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BC44G-0003RG-00 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:01:44 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BC44G-0002sp-00 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:01:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BC43e-0003WA-Or for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:01:06 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BC41T-0002DB-4F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:58:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BC40k-0001Ts-Bu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:58:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.229] (helo=agminet02.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.30) id 1BC40j-0001Qv-09; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:58:05 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (rgmgw4.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.13]) by agminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id i39LvjUA009309; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:57:45 -0700 Original-Received: from rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.5/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id i39Lvif07152; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-vpn-gw2-east-141-144-83-132.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.83.132]) by rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.5/Switch-2.1.0) with SMTP id i39Lvhf07138; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Original-To: "David Kastrup" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:21407 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:21407 Hmmm... I suppose so. But two silly counter-arguments, then I'll rest: 1) The unwashed masses seem to have digested ":)" OK... And they can handle magic-eye SIRDS dinosaurs OK. Bringing them up to speed on an ASCII arrow that pretty-much shows what it says should be a piece of cake, non? (Then again, at least the Murrikens think Mr. Hussein was in NY on 9/11.) 2) Most emacs users are, and have been, (dare-I-say-it?) programmers. I doubt that "<=>" is very foreign to most of them. If foreign, I doubt they would have difficulty picking it up. And emacsers already speak "C-" and "M-". How hard is this? Yeah, I know, Emacs is not *aimed* only at programmers, and I would love to see the Emacs word-processing functionality (and more!) that RMS dreams of. But, so far... Cheers & "Uncle!", Drew -----Original Message----- From: dak@lola.goethe.zz [mailto:dak@lola.goethe.zz]On Behalf Of David Kastrup Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 2:11 PM To: Drew Adams Cc: Simon Josefsson; emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: typo in frame.el "Drew Adams" writes: > How about we use "<=>", conventionally, in doc strings, but we also > explain this convention in the Emacs manual, for those who have > never seen it? If we adopt such a convention, then we should perhaps > also conventionally use "=>" for "implies" ("only if") and "<=" for > "if". I object. Really. This would carry the message that Emacs is intended for mathematicians and/or scientists as main audience. Apart from which those symbols are just ASCII art representations from what they are supposed to be. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum