From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Customize buttons that change user's custom file shouldaskforconfirmation Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:37:53 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107211342 9355 80.91.229.6 (31 Jan 2005 22:42:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 31 23:42:15 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CvkFK-0005M5-00 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:42:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvkS8-0007uB-Jv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:55:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CvkR1-0007JG-7F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:54:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CvkQq-0007C9-Dy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:54:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvkQq-0007Al-17 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:54:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.230] (helo=agminet03.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CvkBH-0003bt-1f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:38:03 -0500 Original-Received: from agminet03.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j0VMbvkR005139; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:37:57 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j0VMbuWg005096; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:37:56 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j0VMbtkB028640; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:37:55 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j0VMbsaN028633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:37:55 -0700 Original-To: , X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32684 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32684 ... Another possibility to consider for this might be "Installed Values" (or "Stock Values"). "Stock Values" is best. It will cause me to ask, `what is meant by "stock values" ... ?' Like anyone who is not a novice Emacs person, I follow the convention and set values in my .emacs file. Only for features that I do not understand, like fonts, do I use customize. And, of course when I realize I made a mistake and can see a better face, I change the customized values that I have set within my .emacs file by `custom-set-faces'. Asking what is meant by "stock values" is worthwhile for people who have used Emacs for two decades or more -- for example, off hand, I cannot remember whether `customize' considers stock values to be those you see with `emacs -Q' or whether it uses the previously set values. And the phrase is harmless to novices. IIUC, the "standard" (stock, or whatever) values are those defined by defcustom and defface; that's all - the values according to "the spec" (Spec Values? Defined Values?). This term does not determine a particular set of options; it refers only to a particular kind of value for an option - any option. Emacs -Q just uses a minimal set of libraries and features, so a minimal set of options. Standard values apply to defcustoms and deffaces from all libraries.