From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:40:21 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107297780 6569 80.91.229.2 (1 Feb 2005 22:43:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 22:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lennart Borgman , rms@gnu.org, Per Abrahamsen , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 01 23:42:59 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw6jS-0006rJ-4R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:42:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw6wS-0002jb-7e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:56:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw6vj-0002gl-R7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:55:31 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw6vg-0002eS-UM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:55:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw6vg-0002e7-QT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:55:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.229] (helo=agminet02.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1Cw6hD-0008Il-1U; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:40:31 -0500 Original-Received: from agminet02.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j11MeSLD030946; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:40:29 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by agminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j11MeRvo030897; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:40:27 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j11MeQkI023305; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:40:26 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-whq-csvpn-gw3-141-144-81-59.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.81.59]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j11MePqS023287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:40:25 -0700 Original-To: "David Kastrup" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32731 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32731 It appears that I am babbling and confusing this with something else. Probably with custom-declare-variable calling the setter function if the value of the variable has been set before custom-declare-variable is executed. Sorry for the confusion. ... Well, yes. Once I am babbling, it seems that I remain so. To my defense I have to add that I tripped over my network cable, ruining my network connection and smashing my laptop. After putting its pieces together again, network had stopped working, and I suspected the cable. A different cable had no better luck, so I pried apart my PCMCIA Network/Modem card and (after several other futile attempts) resoldered the network connector with a far too large soldering iron tip. But some keys are still not working perfectly. You get the drift. It's not really my day today. Ouch! Anyway, no need to feel sorry. Customize is confusing to lots of us, I suspect. I feel silly saying that I don't understand what Stefan and Per are trying to help us understand, but I don't know another way to learn than a dialectical back-and-forth. Until I see the error of my ways I'll try to convince you of (what I think is) the error of your ways :-). I may feel silly, but I don't feel sorry for trying, unless it turns out that I waste _everyone's_ time and I belong on a different mailing list.