From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Customize buttons that change user's custom file should askforconfirmation Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:21:40 -0800 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107275689 25708 80.91.229.2 (1 Feb 2005 16:34:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 16:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 01 17:34:49 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw0pT-0002ln-N9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:24:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw12Q-0000Ay-K9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:38:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw11q-0008Qn-SK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:37:27 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw11p-0008Pe-16 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:37:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cw11o-0008PL-QF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:37:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [141.146.126.230] (helo=agminet03.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1Cw0na-0000uI-10 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:22:42 -0500 Original-Received: from agminet03.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j11GLo1b003611; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:21:50 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.50]) by agminet03.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j11GLn7D003584; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:21:49 -0800 Original-Received: from rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j11GLmY2030555; Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:21:48 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dhcp-amer-whq-csvpn-gw3-141-144-81-59.vpn.oracle.com [141.144.81.59]) by rgmsgw301.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j11GLfAf030485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:21:47 -0700 Original-To: , X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32712 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32712 Over all, on further investigation, the interface needs more work, not just some rewording. <...lots of great feedback...> I, like some others, think that the Customize UI presents a great opportunity for improvement ;-). A lot of work has gone into the current design, and there are some good aspects to it. Nevertheless, I think we could usefully put the design on the table and talk about it from scratch, hashing over what we like and don't like about it, and trying to come up with some improvements. Maybe the result would be to decide to leave it as it is or to just tweak it a little, but I do think it's worth spending time discussing it in detail - because I think Customize could be more used and more useful than it is currently (for both Lispers and non-Lispers - but that's another issue). How about we open a discussion of how to improve the Customize UI - _after the release_? To discuss it well and think carefully about it we'll need some time. And now is not the best time. Of course, Bob's feedback mainly involved bugs, and they can perhaps be fixed now, for this release.