From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Privileges and practicalities [was: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el] Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 11:46:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87zh1jag72.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27108"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ulm@gentoo.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, rms@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, ams@gnu.org To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F_Kayaalp?= , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 12:46:34 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxqDw-0006vw-KY for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 12:46:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60472 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxqDv-00035r-HU for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 06:46:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44286) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxqDk-00035h-5n for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 06:46:20 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:50753) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxqDh-0000MA-QZ; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 06:46:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [10.152.120.21] ([::ffff:41.210.145.49]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000567CE.000000005FF84605.00007D69; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 04:46:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87zh1jag72.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:513 Archived-At: >Free software is a privilege, as it is=2E It requires a lot of knowledge >about computing praxis and culture, internet culture, legal stuff, and >politics=2E =20 How privilege? I don't see how is free software privilege=2E Not for me=2E= It should be basic human right for users to have control of their data, an= d not to let other companies or individuals control my data=2E Better said proprietary software is mischievous unfortunate degrading even= t of human history and we are working to the reverse it=2E >It=E2=80=99s fundamental and inevitable and unavoidable for free software= to >interact and cooperate with non-free software, if such a goal is not >limited to the use cases of some privileged hackers=2E =20 We have fully free software that need not ever interact or cooperate with = non free=2E So I don't know where you pull out that anti information=2E Jus= t start with www=2Egnu=2Eorg to find software that never ever need to coope= rate with proprietary software=2E >Most software, >and >most of popular software is closed source=2E =20 I did not count to say so=2E But what is popular it does not matter in GNU= project, what matters is that we do have fully free software and operating= systems=2E=20 >Most users of software >_cannot_ avoid non-free software=2E=20 Whoever is informed well and decides so themselves can switch to fully fre= e software=2E People make decisions on their own=2E GNU project is everything else but not ivory tower=2E Otherwise you would = not be able to discuss here=2E What GNU project promotes is free software=2E GNU never says to its users= to use exclusively free software and never condemns people for using propr= ietary software=2E I thus do not see where is problem=2E Your statements are too general and I do not see how they relate=2E