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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122241 Archived-At: > >> As I understand from counter-arguments, opponents agree with > >> self-inserting characters replacing the region, but only when > >> the region is activated explicitly, and not by side-effects of > >> setting the mark or exchanging the mark and point. > > > > Not this "opponent". I agree with self-inserting characters > > replacing the active region _always_, no matter how it was > > activated. That's the point of "active". > > > > And I hold that the region should be activated simply by > > setting the mark or exchanging the mark and point. > > That's my position too. This problem is mostly irrelevant to > enabling d-s-m. Everyone who don't like C-SPC or C-x C-x > activating the region can turn off t-m-m or use additional C-u/C-g. > > IOW, t-m-m should go hand in hand with d-s-m. And turning off t-m-m > should also turn off d-s-m. We agree.