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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Juri Linkov'" <juri@jurta.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Key bindings proposal
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:34:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <FA1AFDB2553D41779C674C5C0A319DD0@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87hbikdss4.fsf@mail.jurta.org>

> > This is a useful change independently of the reason you gave
> > (use of menu accelerators).
> 
> But what are technical difficulties of implementing menu accelerators?

I have no idea.  But apparently Lennart has more or less succeeded for Windows,
and Stephen mentioned that XEmacs added accelerators long ago.

> IIUC, Gtk and Windows already support menu accelerators,
> and they will also improve navigation in tmm-menubar
> (that currently assigns quite random accelerators).

[With La Carte what you type directly reflects the menu names themselves: you
complete against a menu path (with substring etc. matching, if you use Icicles
or Ido etc.).  There is nothing arbitrary about what you type.  This helps you
learn and remember the menu organization.  You can drill down the menu hierarchy
progressively, as in TMM (but with meaningful input) or you can match your menu
target directly.]
 
> So for instance, in Gimp you can open a file by typing `<f10> f o'.
> And in Emacs it will be possible to do exactly the same
> in Gtk, Windows, xterm and non-toolkit versions (using tmm).

I have nothing against Emacs supporting menu accelerators. That should be clear
from previous posts.  [And La Carte already handles (Lennart's implementation
of) accelerators.]

I was simply agreeing with you that `Search' could and perhaps should be a
top-level menu.  And that is so whether or not Emacs supports menu accelerators.




  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-24 16:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 277+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-26 22:01 Key bindings proposal [Was: Emacs learning curve] Uday S Reddy
2010-07-27  3:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-27 10:32 ` Key bindings proposal Stefan Monnier
2010-07-27 11:30   ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-27 11:32   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-27 12:03     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-27 16:41       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-27 23:32         ` Miles Bader
2010-07-29 14:05           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-27 16:41       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-27 17:52         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-28  5:57           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-28 18:32             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-29  5:47               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-29 15:28   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-29 16:05     ` Andreas Röhler
2010-07-31  7:16     ` Mathias Dahl
2010-07-31 10:04       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-31 14:07         ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-07-31 18:17         ` Drew Adams
2010-08-02 14:59           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-02 17:59             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-02 18:10               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03  9:45                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-03 10:02                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03  2:09               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-03 11:56               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-03 14:04                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-03 15:02                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03 15:16                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-03 15:54                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03 15:18                     ` David Kastrup
2010-08-03 15:51                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03 15:58                         ` no forking relation (was: Key bindings proposal) Drew Adams
2010-08-05  8:39                   ` Key bindings proposal Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05  9:22                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-05 11:00                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 11:24                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-05 12:16                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 13:59                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 14:07                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 13:10                         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 13:13                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-05 13:22                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 13:48                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 14:01                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 14:01                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 17:08                                   ` Uday S Reddy
     [not found]                                 ` <19546.51009.703000.960158@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
2010-08-05 14:18                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  0:50                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-06  1:28                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  1:35                                 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-06  1:41                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  1:58                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  2:16                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-06  2:38                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  2:34                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  2:55                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  3:11                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  6:05                                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-06 15:07                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06 15:29                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 20:33                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-05 21:26                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 22:55                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  0:05                               ` Drew Adams
2010-08-06  7:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-06  3:21                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06  3:25                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  5:22                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06  6:21                                   ` Tassilo Horn
2010-08-06  5:09                               ` Miles Bader
2010-08-06  9:02                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06 17:32                               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-06 17:46                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-06 18:40                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-06 19:13                                   ` Drew Adams
2010-08-06 19:04                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-08 22:22                                 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-08 22:29                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-08 23:06                                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-08 23:09                                     ` Chong Yidong
     [not found]                                       ` <AANLkTim86uB8Yb3P9_HX2NN=RQ6svVTvXfyvUQfAJAnE@mail.gmail! .com>
2010-08-08 23:19                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-08 23:42                                         ` Chong Yidong
     [not found]                                           ` <AANLkTikRWNmYsEqJX7ccPFGsBobNLkeYRY+1BvnBDOt9!! @mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                           ` <AANLkTikRWNmYsEqJX7ccPFGsBobNLkeYRY+1BvnBDOt9! @mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-09 14:50                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-09 15:16                                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-09 16:08                                               ` Drew Adams
2010-08-10  7:30                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-12 15:21                                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-12 15:46                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-12 16:13                                                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-12 15:59                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-12 21:20                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-12 21:57                                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-12 22:06                                                     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-12 22:12                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-12 23:02                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-12 23:11                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-13  8:57                                                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 14:42                                                         ` Drew Adams
2010-08-13 14:57                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-13 16:09                                                             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-13 16:15                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-13 17:40                                                                 ` David Robinow
2010-08-14  0:01                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-13 16:07                                                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 22:34                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  0:01                                                             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-14  9:23                                                               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 22:53                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  7:08                                                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 15:37                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-13 15:46                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-13 16:50                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-13 20:32                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-13 22:37                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-13 23:30                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-13 23:53                                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  0:21                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-15 22:21                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  0:00                                                             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-14  0:25                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-14  2:05                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-14 10:20                                                                   ` Jeff Clough
2010-08-14  7:48                                                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-14  8:18                                                               ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-15 22:27                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-16  7:25                                                           ` christian.lynbech
2010-08-16  7:37                                                             ` Miles Bader
2010-08-13 16:01                                                       ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-13 22:40                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-13 22:46                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-13 16:04                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-13 16:53                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-14  0:41                                                           ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-14  1:24                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-14  2:13                                                               ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-14  2:02                                                             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-13 22:43                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  0:30                                                         ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-14 12:07                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-14 13:56                                                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-09  1:01                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-09  8:48                                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-09  8:13                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-10  7:52                                   ` Uday Reddy
2010-08-13  9:05                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-03 15:54                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04  9:52                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 10:20                     ` joakim
2010-08-04 10:52                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 11:11                         ` joakim
2010-08-04 11:25                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 11:44                             ` joakim
2010-08-04 13:24                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-04 13:29                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 11:19                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-04 11:27                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 13:27                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-04 13:45                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 11:16                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 11:28                         ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-04 11:36                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 12:03                             ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-04 12:09                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 12:13                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-04 12:17                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 12:33                               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 16:19                                 ` Tom
2010-08-04 17:38                                   ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-05  2:39                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05  8:16                                       ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-05  8:34                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-05 11:55                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05 12:20                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-05 12:37                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05 12:47                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-05  2:28                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-05  3:14                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05  7:46                                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 15:17                                         ` David Kastrup
2010-08-06  3:12                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06  5:54                                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-06  6:20                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05 14:01                                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-05 14:55                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-04 14:06                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04 13:53                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04 13:15                       ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-04 10:54                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04 11:25                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 14:25                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04 15:21                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-04 15:45                         ` joakim
2010-08-04 12:57                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-02  9:42         ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-02 10:58           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-02 11:17             ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-02 11:58               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-03  3:03                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-02 10:12         ` Tassilo Horn
2010-08-02 11:24           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-23 13:45       ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-23 14:14         ` Thierry Volpiatto
2010-08-23 20:56           ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-23 21:15             ` Thierry Volpiatto
2010-08-23 22:36               ` Drew Adams
2010-08-24 13:55                 ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-24 15:20                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2010-08-24 16:38                   ` Drew Adams
2010-08-25 13:47                     ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-23 14:39         ` Drew Adams
2010-08-23 20:45           ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-24 13:50           ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-24 16:34             ` Drew Adams [this message]
2010-08-25 13:48               ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-25 15:07                 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-26 23:22                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-27 12:10                     ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-27 22:38                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-28  0:01                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-28  7:28                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-30 14:37                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-30 15:34                               ` Drew Adams
2010-08-30 15:39                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-30 15:53                                   ` Drew Adams
2010-08-30 16:06                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-30 15:54                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-30 21:39                                 ` Davis Herring
2010-08-31  5:49                                   ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-31  9:54                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-31 12:14                                       ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-31 21:25                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-28  9:25                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-28  1:02                         ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-28  9:20                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-28  9:23                           ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-28  9:41                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-28 10:13                               ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-28 10:58                                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-28 23:16                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-29  7:46                                     ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-29 11:58                                       ` David Kastrup
2010-08-29 12:24                                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-25 16:34                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-26 23:23                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-27  0:17                     ` Miles Bader
2010-08-27 22:38                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-27  8:56           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-23 17:10         ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-27  8:18         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-27 22:34           ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-27 23:12             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-28 23:27               ` Juri Linkov
2010-07-30  2:04   ` coding guidelines? (was Re: Key bindings proposal) Joe Brenner
2010-07-30  8:33     ` Andreas Schwab
2010-07-30  9:32     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-31 19:19       ` Joe Brenner
2010-07-31 19:45         ` Joe Brenner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-07-29  0:08 Key bindings proposal [Was: Emacs learning curve] Noah Lavine
2010-07-29 11:26 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-29 12:21   ` Key bindings proposal joakim
2010-07-29 14:16     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-03 20:10 MON KEY
2010-08-03 22:19 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-03 20:39 MON KEY
2010-08-04  0:11 ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found] <0LflI2-1PHZPs2uvS-00oe0Z@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-13 10:21 ` Xah Lee
2010-08-13 11:32 grischka
2010-08-13 12:49 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 20:24   ` grischka
2010-08-14  6:37     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-14  7:59       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-14  9:39         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-23 13:45       ` Juri Linkov
     [not found] <0LpLKf-1PMJpV3jOf-00eqos@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-13 17:40 ` Xah Lee
     [not found] <0LuegS-1Osh2D2A3E-00zozI@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-14  0:14 ` Xah Lee
     [not found] <0MKXcd-1OjFjG3Si7-001yF5@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-14  0:18 ` Xah Lee
     [not found] <0LyWQo-1Ovn6v30nm-01699h@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-14 15:19 ` Xah Lee

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