From: Adrian Robert <adrian.b.robert@gmail.com>
To: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
Cc: 1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com,
Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE>
Subject: bug#1993: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:11:00 +0545 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <F9C01386-94A3-4477-A1B9-64F099CC12F9@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D9A4AFDB-E63E-4089-A56F-5CB64033E796@gmail.com>
On Mar 29, 2009, at 5:11 AM, David Reitter wrote:
> Adrian, should we change this to match the Carbon Emacs default?
> Your ns-compatibility-mode (forgot exact name) could change that,
> of course, but without it, we don't have too many Mac like keys
> bound. Traditional Emacs users tend to want a Meta key, while most
> users of non-English keyboard layouts will need Option very
> regularly to do tasks often done in Emacs {like C/Java/...
> programming}.
Hi,
I will just give my thoughts on this, but since this port is a
community project it is not necessarily my decision what to do.
The reason to prefer command = command is that emacs can then use
similar accelerator keybindings to other os x apps. The reason to
prefer command = meta is that emacs can use similar non-ascii latin
character entry to other os x apps. Which is preferred for a given
user depends on two questions:
1) is the user in continental Europe?
2) is the user editing code or text?
Why (2)? Now that I've been living on the continent myself for a
while, I've noticed that programmers here often just use a US
keyboard layout even if they have a physically non-US keyboard. It's
just too much of a hassle to get commonly-needed special characters
otherwise.
So my feeling is that the command=meta option is preferred by text-
writing Continentals, while command = command is likely preferred by
everyone else. I am not sure which group makes up a larger subset of
OS X emacs users.
I do know that I received a few complaints over the years from folks
disliking the Emacs.app command=command default. My answer was
always to rehash the above and note that it's easy to change it --
just flip a combo box in the prefs panel. Now that it's not so easy
(I guess figuring out the existence of ns/mac-command-modifier
variable and writing suitable elisp to .emacs is necessary), the
default setting becomes more important.
>> Could be done, but I think we should stick to one default for all
>> layouts.
>>
>
> Then the system's one. No artificial changes.
I agree with both of these. So perhaps the best default would be
command=command (super), alt=none, and the user can set a meta key
(additional to esc+) if he/she desires.
-Adrian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-04 6:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-16 21:22 bug#1993: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background David Reitter
2009-03-17 11:56 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-28 19:03 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-29 0:05 ` David Reitter
2009-03-29 0:20 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-28 19:07 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-29 0:01 ` David Reitter
2009-03-28 19:11 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-29 0:02 ` David Reitter
2009-03-28 19:54 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-28 23:26 ` David Reitter
2009-03-29 0:09 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-29 0:14 ` David Reitter
2009-03-29 0:24 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-04-04 6:26 ` Adrian Robert [this message]
2009-04-04 16:00 ` David Reitter
2009-04-06 4:25 ` Adrian Robert
2009-04-06 14:35 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-04-06 17:42 ` David Reitter
2009-04-06 22:53 ` Jason Rumney
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-04-19 22:25 Tom Hageman
2009-01-22 18:54 Peter Dyballa
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