From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:53:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com><7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com><23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi><23538683.post@talk.nabble.com> <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi><39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov><48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov><66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243212830 8595 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2009 00:53:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Chong Yidong'" , "'Leo'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 02:53:43 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8ORi-00038n-PK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 02:53:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53520 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8ORi-0003RH-A4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:53:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8ORe-0003R5-E7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:53:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8ORZ-0003ON-AE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:53:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52834 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8ORZ-0003Nt-13 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:53:33 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]:29606) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8ORY-0007TD-GB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 20:53:32 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4P0s248018076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 May 2009 00:54:03 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt003.oracle.com (abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4P0s9l9001401; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:54:11 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/98.210.250.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:53:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Thread-Index: AcncyqgwIYylDFYtQk2wiMc52S1FYwAAPsWg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: abhmt003.oracle.com [141.146.116.12] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010202.4A19EC06.00F6:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111052 Archived-At: > During the course of Emacs development, the behavior of C-n > and C-p have already evolved significantly, even before the > line-move-visual change. For instance, they vscroll images > and tall lines. > > The pros and cons of display line motion have been debated > extensively, This is about the _default value_. You have changed the default value. > and I see no new points on either side of the debate. What's new is that you have changed the *default value*. > But since several people dislike the new behavior, I think it > would be good to add an Options menu entry to disable it easily. Sorry to say it this way, but that is a complete cop-out. This is about the DEFAULT VALUE. This is not about the ease of customizing. The default value should be nil. Except, if you insist, in specific buffers where (some) users might find it useful - for example, text-mode buffers.