all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Jean-Christophe Helary <fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A system for localizing documentation strings
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:49:15 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F8B083A3-A95E-4DE6-A8BD-76EFBA56F148@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46A8C099.6060401@gnu.org>


On 27 juil. 07, at 00:41, Jason Rumney wrote:

> Jean-Christophe Helary wrote:
>> I think I understand. But you have to consider that as soon as we
>> provide a localization framework we offer the possibility to have
>> something else but English as the default.
>
> I think it is a bad idea to mix default languages. The default will be
> used as a fallback, so it should be English where possible, as that is
> the most widely understood language in the world today.

Obviously English will be the default for English speaking  
communities, Portuguese for Portuguese speaking communities.

Besides, English is not the most widely understood language in the  
world today. And maybe emacs-dev is not the right place to make such  
assumptions anyway. Obviously we have a very strong English speaking  
community here...

> If a developer does not speak English, they could use Portuguese  
> for the
> doc strings originally, but as soon as English translations are
> available, they should become the default, and the Portuguese moved  
> out
> to whatever translation format we end up with.

Obviously this is a fundamental mistake in the design as I wrote  
earlier: if Portuguese developers want to modify the code they  
originally wrote they'd need to refer to a different file to find  
their original comments.

Also, a Lebanese developer who reads French would rather have French  
as the default than any dialect of English.

Either localization is agnostic (ie it considers all languages  
technically equal) or it is flawed.


Jean-Christophe Helary

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-26 15:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-26  1:05 A system for localizing documentation strings Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26  3:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26  3:29 ` Fwd: " Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 11:54   ` Kenichi Handa
2007-07-26 13:28     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27  0:30       ` Kenichi Handa
2007-07-27  1:18         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 12:13   ` Fwd: " Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26 13:51     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 14:50       ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-26 15:27         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 15:41           ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-26 15:49             ` Jean-Christophe Helary [this message]
2007-07-26 16:15               ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-26 16:25                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 16:28                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 16:44                   ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-27  5:04                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-27  7:22                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27  7:49                         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27  7:52                           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 11:16                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 12:07                           ` Kenichi Handa
2007-07-27 12:26                             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 12:53                               ` Kenichi Handa
2007-07-27 14:43                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-28 14:11                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-27 16:03                             ` Henrik Enberg
2007-07-27 14:09                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2007-07-27 18:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 11:37                         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-28 14:11                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-26 15:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26 15:42         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 16:03           ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-26 16:23             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27  5:04               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-26 19:34           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26 19:54             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-26 15:36     ` Fwd: " Andreas Schwab
2007-07-26 19:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <871weuk228.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
2007-07-27  9:53           ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-27 11:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 11:43               ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-27 11:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 12:17                   ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-27 18:36                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 14:56                   ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 15:18                     ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-27 15:28                       ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 15:59                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 16:09                         ` Fwd: " Jason Rumney
2007-07-27 17:53                           ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-28  3:13                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 16:14                         ` Fwd: " David Kastrup
2007-07-27 16:55                           ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-27 12:27             ` Kenichi Handa
2007-07-27 15:00             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 11:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 11:45             ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-27 12:18             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-07-27 12:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 16:24         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-27  2:16   ` Summary (Re: A system for localizing documentation strings) Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27  5:44     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-27  7:24       ` David Reitter
2007-07-27  7:45         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-27  8:03     ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27  8:18       ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-27  9:04         ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27  9:22           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27  9:39             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27  9:46               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 11:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 15:11                 ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 11:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 14:52             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 12:13           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 15:16             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 15:55               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27  8:21       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27  9:08         ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27  9:33           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27  9:38             ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 11:05           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 11:19             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-07-27 11:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-28 14:11         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-27 11:08       ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-27 11:15       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 11:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 11:59         ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-27 13:13           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 13:42             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 14:12               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-28 14:11               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-28 22:49                 ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 15:07         ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-27 15:41           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 16:11             ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-28  2:57               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-28 14:11       ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-27 16:24     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-28  2:53       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-29  2:22         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-29  4:46           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-29 16:55             ` M Jared Finder
2007-07-30  0:57               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-30 16:43             ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-30 17:04               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-31  3:38                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-31  4:16                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-31  6:05                     ` Jan Djärv
2007-08-02  0:32                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-08-02 23:43                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-01 18:11                     ` Davis Herring
2007-08-02  0:25                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-08-02  5:47                         ` Miles Bader
2007-07-27  5:04   ` Fwd: A system for localizing documentation strings Richard Stallman
2007-07-27  8:29     ` Jean-Christophe Helary

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=F8B083A3-A95E-4DE6-A8BD-76EFBA56F148@mx6.tiki.ne.jp \
    --to=fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.