From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tree-sitter maturity Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 23:23:55 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1ed88fca-788a-fe9f-b6c8-edb2f49751c9@mavit.org.uk> <67428b3d.c80a0220.2f3036.adbdSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <86ldwdm7xg.fsf@gnu.org> <6765355b.c80a0220.1a6b24.3117SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <00554790-CACA-4233-8846-9E091CF1F7AA@gmail.com> <86msgl2red.fsf@gnu.org> <87o710sr7y.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> <8734i9tmze.fsf@posteo.net> <86plldwb7w.fsf@gnu.org> <87ttapryxr.fsf@posteo.net> <0883EB00-3BB2-4BC8-95D1-45F4497C0526@dancol.org> <87plldrx6a.fsf@posteo.net> <87ikr5rwx0.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34288"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, manphiz@gmail.com To: rms@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 29 05:24:28 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tRkqq-0008jQ-AC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 05:24:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRkqQ-0005eO-Ao; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 23:24:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRkqO-0005dv-PM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 23:24:00 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRkqN-00033D-FI; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 23:24:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:CC:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=o462oZtrEzOPEzU+I68KJfMhAAmHJiPVKJGIhDP/LiU=; b=HcE6TPaY/XpYagJYgl6K9Xtwul +s9xUhd+z58f6GcNB/EVnaBDXNTJ//JY4fi6Tq+Ly3HWGpNm6JgEUb/qbwkcOXiGh/Kxx9ne1ClWa c6MDoATVMd/BDneJx3rLFCXNhW61qsM7BuqRXEeT/o17Mn9gD6wlwxIuntqfEGxugFfVuHwuCRMw6 D7pB/bfqjZ9B1xkhW9BOdyrfRCyRQu8q1en/G0NPhKljz3CZLClUASvkbKZYwuI99GH3ZPGeqU7qi qnVKgJHnMWiQYVNWgPDfmWQLCfR8XbuGTx/2e2g/nWw90na26zQwZ8kPyqSzPSENkyWswnlPZD8Kd /cxWJMdA==; Original-Received: from 2603-9001-4203-1ab2-8c81-c450-971b-d6ef.inf6.spectrum.com ([2603:9001:4203:1ab2:8c81:c450:971b:d6ef]:50514 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1tRkqL-0004jY-0o; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 23:23:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1; envelope-from=dancol@dancol.org; helo=dancol.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327305 Archived-At: On December 28, 2024 11:19:45 PM EST, Richard Stallman wro= te: >[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example=2E ]]] > > > Oh, and another point I have been reminded of while writing this: The > > recent addition of more and more -ts-modes without "regular" -modes h= as > > been slightly concerning=2E While I understand that re-implementing = a > > "lua-mode" or "php-mode" from scratch is not an effort one wants to > > impose on anymore, > >This is not clean, and might be a real problem=2E What should happen >when someone who does not use tree-sitter visits a Lua file or a PHP >file? What happens in those cases now? > >In general, Emacs should not have a FOO-ts-mode without a correspnding >FOO-mode=2E Otherwise users will get surprised=2E I'm not talking about >_how_ they work, just that the commands should exist=2E Enforcing this policy will just mean that Emacs doesn't support *at all* s= ome languages out of the box and will put even more wind in the sails of so= ft forks like Doom=2E Tree sitter language descriptions are free software= =2E There's no reason not to rely on them=2E > >It might be simple to modify lua-ts-mode so that it can be directed to >disable tree-sitter, perhaps by a global variable -- and then define >lua-mode to call lua-ts-mode after specifying that=2E > But the mode wouldn't do anything then=2E