From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12507: [debbugs-tracker] Processed: severity 12507 wishlist Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:00:39 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87bogubqjy.fsf@gnu.org><873925ebpd.fsf@gnu.org><87ipb031aj.fsf@kwarm.red-bean.com> <87obkreabd.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1348761672 19212 80.91.229.3 (27 Sep 2012 16:01:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 12507@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Karl Fogel'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 27 18:01:17 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1THGWa-0000NZ-QC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:00:42 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q8RG0eiK015150; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:00:40 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.248) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:00:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87obkreabd.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> Thread-Index: Ac2cx5lr1zkc81KbR0mcknN45zRL/gAANd0A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:64956 Archived-At: > >> * Also change the default value of > >> `bookmark-version-control' to be `nil' instead of > >> `nospecial', so that backups of the bookmark data > >> file are no longer on by default (unless there are > >> already backup files present). > > > > But how does that help a user turn backup on in the first > > place? Not a rhetorical question - I really don't know. > > How should a user create the first backup file? > > > > What would the doc suggest to the user for that? Copy the > > file to one with a `~' suffix (error prone)? Visit the > > bookmark file, type SPC then DEL, then `C-x C-s' (error prone)? > > > > What is an easy, sure way for a user who has never backed up > > a file (one that is not typically visited interactively) to > > create a backup? > > Set `bookmark-version-control' to `t', of course. OK, I thought of that, but that seems like a strange thing for the doc to suggest: customize it to `t', save your bookmark file, then re/un-customize it back to the default, `nil'. Is that really the best recommendation? I have no special problem with it, but somehow I was expecting something else. Whatever the recommended procedure is, I think the doc (for this and `version-control') should suggest it to users.