From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2024 07:50:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <875xto7lbn.fsf@dancol.org> <86ed8ce2mh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18976"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android Cc: Stefan Kangas , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 02 13:51:23 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sOc2d-0004lm-0X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 13:51:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOc25-0005Rm-J3; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 07:50:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOc23-0005RU-GL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 07:50:47 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOc22-0007wR-0X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 07:50:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:CC:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gtv92nNZg3alMXdPSvK6bkD3bVFuuhsxXsb9qZk238c=; b=Jrws3G/bsNQZi4Pqg74djbZA44 aeQgpXUeLorlGQTzZ5XJN8Ysm+CI8ilnDnEiw3lVqye3vsPYxmxx1YxwqbgIy/3Q++oE1H/E4i+24 a0Q36vSZxGpOXi8Pd97hYHWdneHPl67G+6Ip+M8J/6iLpN4Z8SR1mE+nJCX8RVDdCMAOCjGrXo4d7 nJCnT6FWDHRj9xRFm69Jsf+vPB3q4tlqRwZ9wMOwPzdXxWZyVe7MhtyMWg6m987ObpnPf2yvJ0Ud2 IgfY/gkXS5YifmpAoNqId0jJ4bt/u9P3e/xxidfpB1ng1212foTD6CXWKPp1Pi6tqDFxOT/O+AvWF KoTPqyPA==; Original-Received: from 2603-9001-4203-1ab2-8f2f-ca74-255c-b80b.inf6.spectrum.com ([2603:9001:4203:1ab2:8f2f:ca74:255c:b80b]:44878 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sOc1v-000329-4X; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 07:50:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: <86ed8ce2mh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1; envelope-from=dancol@dancol.org; helo=dancol.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321131 Archived-At: On July 2, 2024 2:50:38 AM EDT, Juri Linkov wrote: >>> Thus, I don't think I see any compelling reason not to go ahead with >>> this change=2E I would propose that we now start discussing the speci= fics >>> of how to go about doing that (patches, proposed alternative solutions= )=2E >> >> How's this? >> >> +@kindex C-x 4 LEFT >> +@kindex C-x 4 RIGHT >> +@kindex C-x 4 UP >> +@kindex C-x 4 DOWN > >I can't believe someone might want to use such long key sequences >for one of the most frequent actions=2E It's even longer than >'C-x o' it's supposed to improve=2E=20 It's an improvement on C-x o for some use cases because it's more predicta= ble, not because it's shorter=2E Besides, the key sequence isn't even that = hard to type=2E Have you tried it? > I think there are no better keys >for switching windows than arrows with a modifier=2E I use these and they're fine=2E The problem with binding a modifier with b= are arrow keys is that all sorts of customizations and modes bind these alr= eady=2E C-x 4 is vacant, logical, and short enough=2E >Since all keybindings in the 'C-x 4' keymap are for commands >that display a buffer in another window, 'C-x 4 LEFT/=2E=2E=2E' >could do the same to display the buffer of the next command >in the specified window=2E Such a command doesn't exist and doesn't sound particularly useful to me= =2E Putting window management under C-x 4 makes logical sense=2E=20