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Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 09:24:21 +0900 Message-ID: References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <871s0yqg2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <3210C8E9-7A74-47D6-81A0-470948E6D09C@gmail.com> <87r28xq0j1.fsf@telefonica.net> <576240a5-c92a-5cf8-898b-43f214a2b580@yandex.ru> <83imu9beyn.fsf@gnu.org> <8463581c-c40f-a66a-5c9c-0995a3b45cd0@yandex.ru> <83bm01b83i.fsf@gnu.org> <66e5fc8d-5cf4-89cd-5c4f-7fad581a97f5@yandex.ru> <83zhnl9pak.fsf@gnu.org> <6c23e6a7-91b9-92db-0f2d-ac11fdf5a35c@yandex.ru> <83woip9mgs.fsf@gnu.org> <83tvdr8yxd.fsf@gnu.org> <874l5rnwsp.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="12114"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 19 02:32:16 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hS9kN-0002zk-WE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 May 2019 02:32:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40309 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hS9kN-0007zJ-10 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 May 2019 20:32:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37355) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hS9jx-0007ye-ED for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 May 2019 20:31:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hS9cr-0002Yb-1O for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 May 2019 20:24:29 -0400 Original-Received: from pv50p00im-ztdg10012101.me.com ([17.58.6.49]:60720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hS9cq-0002Y1-SC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 May 2019 20:24:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=04042017; t=1558225465; bh=ZL8KG/ufYPg0gMP2cD0JM9Zf2I8SrZvO2SW4Qq6KGPg=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date:Message-Id:To; b=unAJneh36/dJhT43s0CQl24hDd/bV7c07Ll3MhmgC++FhL7mbq7FheZxo5dg8CCKM fQWSP0+q42QW+5ncAo1NxEDha9gudeSKhNjajtIyI7a3pTQudJNzVqMteL4lse9fVu lm0c8q/tppzz3npytmdalDfk7M2eTyIckZsTk9Vi+E31EGC/yB/a/WmgWDEUZrOZi2 1+nph9I747EESuWXGHIPm/9tE7xqdHRj9yRrRAaOPv53JFKiqs1yn/FHE9GbBU1Gi4 wkDVb0mMa1b8A1DalDilBTAbCset/aoU9xr1o8XgTSOXravwnemX50es2MF/RXpLQC zngFRA6oXUMaw== Original-Received: from [172.30.1.38] (unknown [211.192.227.198]) by pv50p00im-ztdg10012101.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A9ED840BC4; Sun, 19 May 2019 00:24:23 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <874l5rnwsp.fsf@telefonica.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-05-18_18:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=18 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=329 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1812120000 definitions=main-1905190000 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 17.58.6.49 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120522 Archived-At: > 2019. 5. 19. =EC=98=A4=EC=A0=84 8:54, =C3=93scar Fuentes = =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1: >=20 > Dmitry Gutov writes: >=20 >>> If filing a bug will make a difference, yes. Of course, we can fix >>> problems even without a filed bug, it isn't unheard of. >>=20 >> OK, what should I do? You're the boss. I can probably easily fix it >> with a commit and push. Should I? >=20 > What you pretend is to completely ignore the maintainer of a prominent > package to force your very personal preference and implement a change > that, by your own admission, harms the users of that package without > benefiting Emacs in a tangible way other than "being uniform=E2=80=9D. What you pretend is to completely ignore the importance of coherence and = force your very personal preference, and harm users of that package by = making them surprised by not being uniform. > That's toxic. >=20 > FYI, Org-mode also assigns C-c C-c to something that does not align to > your schema. As does Eshell. And M-x shell. And Magit. And, that=E2=80=99s exactly the point! Emacs *is* inconsistent, and we = should try to eliminate them (hopefully before a bigger user base = appears). There=E2=80=99s a point where any kind of big software platform has an = HIG, like Apple macOS, iOS, or XDG, Gnome, Qt, e.g=E2=80=A6 and I would = appreciate if we can make an HIG for Emacs packages. Thinks like keybindings, UI, messages, etc.=20 > Please stop with this nonsense.