From: 조성빈 <pcr910303@icloud.com>
To: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow?
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 09:24:21 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <F5CF0662-8584-47D9-A319-51E37967E703@icloud.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874l5rnwsp.fsf@telefonica.net>
> 2019. 5. 19. 오전 8:54, Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> 작성:
>
> Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:
>
>>> If filing a bug will make a difference, yes. Of course, we can fix
>>> problems even without a filed bug, it isn't unheard of.
>>
>> OK, what should I do? You're the boss. I can probably easily fix it
>> with a commit and push. Should I?
>
> What you pretend is to completely ignore the maintainer of a prominent
> package to force your very personal preference and implement a change
> that, by your own admission, harms the users of that package without
> benefiting Emacs in a tangible way other than "being uniform”.
What you pretend is to completely ignore the importance of coherence and force your very personal preference, and harm users of that package by making them surprised by not being uniform.
> That's toxic.
>
> FYI, Org-mode also assigns C-c C-c to something that does not align to
> your schema. As does Eshell. And M-x shell. And Magit.
And, that’s exactly the point! Emacs *is* inconsistent, and we should try to eliminate them (hopefully before a bigger user base appears).
There’s a point where any kind of big software platform has an HIG, like Apple macOS, iOS, or XDG, Gnome, Qt, e.g… and I would appreciate if we can make an HIG for Emacs packages.
Thinks like keybindings, UI, messages, etc.
> Please stop with this nonsense.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-05-19 0:24 UTC|newest]
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2019-05-14 23:54 Is Elisp really that slow? Ergus
2019-05-15 11:57 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 13:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 13:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 13:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 14:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 14:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 16:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 16:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 20:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 20:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 17:29 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-15 19:38 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 19:53 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-15 20:09 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 23:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 20:46 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 23:30 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 23:12 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 19:47 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 19:45 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 15:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 15:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 17:30 ` John Yates
2019-05-15 19:29 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 20:15 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 20:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 20:57 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 21:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 21:17 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 11:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:07 ` Uniformity (was: Is Elisp really that slow?) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 15:24 ` Uniformity Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:45 ` Uniformity Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 19:58 ` Uniformity (was: Is Elisp really that slow?) Ergus
2019-05-18 23:51 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 15:14 ` Is Elisp really that slow? Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 15:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 16:23 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-15 16:27 ` tomas
2019-05-15 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 20:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 13:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 14:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 21:09 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 16:14 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 20:23 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 20:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 22:46 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 23:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-28 21:08 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-28 21:50 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-17 1:28 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-17 2:26 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 4:05 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-17 6:08 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 9:21 ` tomas
2019-05-17 14:01 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 14:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 14:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 18:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 19:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 20:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 16:37 ` tomas
2019-05-17 16:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 17:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 18:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 18:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 18:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-30 12:09 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-25 16:48 ` Jean Louis
2019-05-29 4:58 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 13:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-29 4:26 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 5:52 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 9:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 12:35 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 13:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 13:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 15:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-18 15:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 15:39 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 15:47 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-17 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 19:24 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-19 13:38 ` Ergus
2019-05-19 13:42 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-06 3:24 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-05 6:05 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-05 4:44 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-06 21:06 ` Xavier Maillard
2019-06-07 19:01 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-31 15:50 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-31 17:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 18:46 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-02 10:49 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-06-02 19:16 ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-06-02 22:49 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-06-07 18:55 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-07 18:53 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 14:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 15:02 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-17 16:29 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-05-17 17:19 ` Ergus
2019-06-05 2:29 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-04 22:29 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-30 3:30 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 14:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 8:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 9:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 11:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 12:56 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 13:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 15:03 ` Drew Adams
2019-06-04 1:27 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-31 19:03 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-01 8:17 ` Jean Louis
2019-06-07 18:49 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 13:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 13:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18 16:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-18 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18 22:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-18 23:54 ` Óscar Fuentes
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2019-05-19 15:18 ` Stefan Huchler
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2019-05-20 15:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
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2019-05-21 12:19 ` Van L
2019-05-23 20:01 ` Robert Thorpe
2019-05-23 23:05 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-05-24 14:40 ` Robert Thorpe
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2019-05-30 21:30 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-30 21:25 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
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2019-05-17 15:22 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 18:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-05-29 5:02 ` Xavier Maillard
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2019-05-25 6:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-06-07 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-19 0:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-19 8:16 ` Van L
2019-05-19 10:35 ` 조성빈
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2019-05-19 13:05 ` Ergus
2019-05-21 12:00 ` Van L
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2019-06-06 0:53 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-19 14:32 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-21 12:09 ` Van L
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2019-06-06 2:12 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-23 20:16 ` Robert Thorpe
2019-06-07 18:23 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-08 20:12 ` Robert Thorpe
2019-06-09 13:37 ` Tomas Nordin
2019-06-09 13:50 ` tomas
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2019-06-12 9:16 ` [offtopic] " Van L
2019-06-12 9:28 ` tomas
2019-06-12 11:31 ` Van L
2019-06-12 11:44 ` tomas
2019-06-14 4:12 ` Xavier Maillard
2019-06-14 7:07 ` tomas
2019-06-12 11:16 ` [offtopic] " Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-12 13:28 ` Van L
2019-05-16 23:31 ` Emanuel Berg
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2019-05-22 7:13 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-16 1:19 Ergus
2019-05-20 11:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-02 21:40 Why is Elisp slow? Ergus
2019-05-02 23:39 ` 조성빈
2019-05-03 0:44 ` Ergus
2019-05-10 13:14 ` Van L
2019-05-10 13:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-05-11 0:38 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-11 7:32 ` Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) tomas
2019-05-11 7:42 ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 7:57 ` tomas
2019-05-11 23:09 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 7:54 ` tomas
2019-05-12 9:46 ` 조성빈
2019-05-12 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 14:45 ` Is Elisp really that slow? Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 15:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 17:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 18:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 1:44 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 21:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-12 22:22 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 13:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-14 15:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-13 0:57 ` Samuel Wales
2019-05-13 12:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 14:23 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 14:33 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 8:24 ` tomas
2019-05-14 13:21 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 14:44 ` tomas
2019-05-15 11:25 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 12:05 ` tomas
2019-05-15 23:02 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-16 6:48 ` tomas
2019-05-16 9:37 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-16 11:02 ` tomas
2019-05-23 14:23 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-24 1:33 ` Van L
2019-05-16 13:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-23 14:28 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-23 14:54 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-23 14:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-05-16 14:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-25 4:53 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-13 1:52 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 1:35 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 21:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 1:27 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 15:00 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-14 11:54 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 16:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-14 17:05 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 11:27 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 14:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 23:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-17 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 15:02 ` John Yates
2019-05-13 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 22:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 6:27 ` Paul W. Rankin
2019-05-14 13:10 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 15:42 ` Van L
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2019-06-08 0:26 ` Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) Samuel Wales
2019-06-08 8:52 ` tomas
2019-06-08 21:00 ` Samuel Wales
2019-06-08 21:14 ` tomas
2019-06-08 21:44 ` Is Elisp really that slow? Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08 23:29 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
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