From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A better autogen.sh Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:46:32 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87y66fv2d3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87r5c7jk5m.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D39EF9C.1050804@cs.ucla.edu> <4D3A8666.4070609@cs.ucla.edu> <877hdvd49f.fsf@meyering.net> <83mxmrzhb6.fsf@gnu.org> <4D3C9C5B.8050303@cs.ucla.edu> <00oc4v55eb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87vcz2xh57.fsf@rho.meyering.net> <87pqpaxgi3.fsf@rho.meyering.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-994645422 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1301427853 30998 80.91.229.12 (29 Mar 2011 19:44:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:44:13 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 29 21:44:09 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4epk-0001ty-0r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:44:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50587 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4epi-0007ZE-Ks for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:44:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56176 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4eRQ-00076X-OT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:19:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4dw6-0006ss-LZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:46:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.160.169]:32873) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4dw6-0006se-G2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:46:38 -0400 Original-Received: by gyd8 with SMTP id 8so249417gyd.0 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:46:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date :in-reply-to:to:references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=NhHgKgzg349F/soswbIAgmNjSRGGHymEmU7cWFWC2Vg=; b=x9yz7Vw911Ih884fWXe6/AFlu6yyBJuH8Pouv/Z9xdir6RyTWG1F10Oy1aXPncZBOR fZFStoRVa5PV6dnDcrtloagnxE5WTOCTr/J7MJqTCxU3ZQE5MD6VwKgpIEhIbU7jBVKD DE3eyAfE5JBdxu0GlG/XDHVOZpEOj4HgJqsxU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; b=GmNZ84r7Ew1+o4BY7Awp2Ohb38oWa3FhQGPCtUDYN46pxlgrDyzJrO/jEkeMcyExDR ItjB9O+VtUwARuDlxrBi+b7K9d1JGAO3BqSCjrBaD66pwuEvUb/nC/An2WmSOicLVlTT mAUEWd9em4h3/OvbT9cQPFHsoiARoAcUPMROo= Original-Received: by 10.236.195.5 with SMTP id o5mr313190yhn.96.1301424396898; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.0.1.22] (c-67-183-32-38.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.183.32.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u29sm2597411yhn.71.2011.03.29.11.46.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:46:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87pqpaxgi3.fsf@rho.meyering.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.160.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:137866 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-4-994645422 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mar 29, 2011, at 5:23 AM, Jim Meyering wrote: >=20 > Sure, but that's fine. This is only stopgap, for those who > don't read the build instructions. Those users are unlikely > to be doing a non-srcdir build. If we're still talking about my case, I read the instructions, but they = were (temporarily) incorrect -- they told me that I would only have to = do something once when I actually needed to do it second time. As I = understand it, this was a small window of opportunity while the new = system is being put into place. Had I not been on the road at the time, = I would have caught the need via email. For a more general ``doesn't read INSTALL.bzr'' situation, can we just = include a default Makefile (overwritten by the autogen machinery) that = either instructs the user to read INSTALL.bzr or runs the autogen = machinery? That doesn't seem like something that should require gnu make = extensions, even. *Chad --Apple-Mail-4-994645422 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Sure, but that's = fine.  This is only stopgap, for those who
don't read the build = instructions.  Those users are unlikely
to be doing a non-srcdir = build.

If we're still talking about = my case, I read the instructions, but they were (temporarily) incorrect = -- they told me that I would only have to do something once when I = actually needed to do it second time.  As I understand it, this was = a small window of opportunity while the new system is being put into = place. Had I not been on the road at the time, I would have caught the = need via email.

For a more general ``doesn't = read INSTALL.bzr'' situation, can we just include a default Makefile = (overwritten by the autogen machinery) that either instructs the user to = read INSTALL.bzr or runs the autogen machinery? That doesn't seem like = something that should require gnu make extensions, = even.

*Chad

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