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From: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
To: "Juanma Barranquero" <lekktu@gmail.com>
Cc: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:27:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F477A89B-4B65-4ED2-ACFA-6A268B8EC048@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f7ccd24b0802200804o10c352ffia4760a2cdfe1d547@mail.gmail.com>

On 20 Feb 2008, at 16:04, Juanma Barranquero wrote:

> Of course. But an experienced user does not *need* for Emacs to agree
> with other apps he uses: he can customize it. The trouble is
> unexperienced users who find themselves with (to them) weird or
> unexpected behavior, and no way to fix it. We can give them familiar
> defaults, or we can send them to RTFM...


Absolutely. Despite some 15-20 years experience with computers, I had  
no Emacs and no Lisp experience. So I gave up twice until I decided to  
bite the bullet and switch to the only editor with Prolog support. It  
took me many weeks to customize it to the behavior I was used to from  
all my other apps. And even four years later I find myself going nuts  
over some things, except that I know now why they're hard to implement.

By the way, I found empirically that some 80 percent of all users  
(exact figure eludes me now) left the Aquamacs default of opening new  
buffers in separate frames turned on. They're happy with it and get on  
with their lives. Of course there's a few others, old-time Emacs  
users, who don't find the big fat menu option in "Options" to turn  
this off, and instead bitch about it on their blogs. But I tend to  
look at what the majority wants, even if it might not be the best  
solution when ignoring the user's environment (other apps!). That's  
why we've got these things switched on. Including variable-width fonts  
for all text modes.

I've never understood what hinders people from providing an "Emacs"  
and an "Emacs Classic", which simply differ in their default  
configuration. (But I also don't really care any more.)







  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-20 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 274+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-28  7:48 change cursor type when idle Drew Adams
2006-08-28  9:54 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-28 15:00   ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 15:30     ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-28 16:08       ` David Hansen
2006-08-28 16:09       ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 16:21         ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-28 16:58           ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 21:27             ` Juri Linkov
2006-08-28 23:13               ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 20:27                 ` Juri Linkov
2006-08-29 20:51                   ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 13:51               ` Mathias Dahl
2006-08-29 13:59                 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 20:17                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-08-28 21:06       ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-28 21:44   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-29  1:18     ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-08-29  7:44       ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-29 13:38         ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 22:10 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-01 20:24   ` Drew Adams
2007-07-02 19:47     ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-11  7:48     ` Drew Adams
2008-02-11 10:11       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-02-13  0:25         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-11 21:10       ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-12 14:30         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 14:43           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 15:10             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 15:23               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:20                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 16:28                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:43                     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 17:12                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 18:07                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 18:20                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 18:34                             ` Drew Adams
2008-02-12 19:34                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 21:45                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 18:44                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 20:54                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 15:19           ` Drew Adams
2008-02-12 15:35             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:11             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 16:21               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:27                 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-12 16:36                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:55                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 17:14                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 17:45             ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-13 11:52               ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-13 15:45                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-13 16:04                   ` CUA-mode features and documenation (was: Re: change cursor type when idle) Kim F. Storm
2008-02-13 16:23                     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-13 22:45                       ` CUA-mode features and documenation Juri Linkov
2008-02-13 22:59                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-13 23:18                         ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14  0:01                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-14  0:50                             ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14  0:58                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-14  1:12                                 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14 18:10                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-15 17:11                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-17 13:22                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-17 18:05                                       ` Drew Adams
2008-02-18 11:40                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-18 13:44                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-18 15:52                                           ` Drew Adams
2008-02-17 19:51                                       ` Miles Bader
2008-02-17 22:24                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-17 22:30                                           ` Miles Bader
2008-02-18 13:48                                             ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-17 13:22                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-17 16:58                                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-17 18:06                                         ` Drew Adams
2008-02-18 11:40                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-19  8:52                                         ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default [Re: CUA-mode features and documenation] Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-19  9:38                                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-19 19:01                                             ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-19 20:41                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-19 22:43                                               ` Miles Bader
2008-02-19 23:45                                                 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-19 23:49                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20  0:12                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20  0:19                                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20  0:30                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20  0:49                                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20  7:48                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20  0:16                                                     ` Miles Bader
2008-02-20  3:49                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20  9:56                                                     ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 16:32                                                       ` CUA-*mode (was: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default) Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 17:27                                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20  8:59                                                 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 12:27                                                   ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-20 12:52                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 13:09                                                       ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 14:33                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 15:11                                                           ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 15:43                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 15:55                                                       ` David Reitter
2008-02-20 16:04                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 16:27                                                           ` David Reitter [this message]
2008-02-21 15:34                                                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-20 16:23                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21  3:52                                                         ` Provide different sets of .emacs [Was: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] William Xu
2008-02-21  4:04                                                           ` Provide different sets of .emacs William Xu
2008-02-20 16:14                                                       ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 16:27                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 17:21                                                           ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 17:30                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 20:48                                                               ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 21:07                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 16:52                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 17:00                                                       ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 17:58                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 19:30                                                           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-20 20:09                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 20:41                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 17:45                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 23:01                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:24                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-22  3:18                                                                   ` Miles Bader
     [not found]                                                                     ` <8e24944a0802212139r2bae3597ke49c5c6da65da445@mail.gmail.com>
2008-02-22  5:49                                                                       ` Fwd: " David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 22:57                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23  0:09                                                                       ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23  0:31                                                                         ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-23  1:02                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2008-02-23  1:20                                                                         ` Bastien
2008-02-23  9:16                                                                           ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-23  1:17                                                                       ` Bastien
2008-02-23  5:16                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 10:30                                                                           ` Bastien
2008-02-23 19:29                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 21:44                                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21  9:16                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21  9:16                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 14:31                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-22 10:47                                                               ` Bastien
2008-02-22 13:11                                                                 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-22 14:16                                                                   ` Bastien Guerry
2008-02-22 14:48                                                                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 18:06                                                                       ` Bastien
2008-02-22 15:53                                                                     ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-22 18:12                                                                       ` Bastien
2008-02-22 22:20                                                                         ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-22 23:09                                                                         ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-23 19:28                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 14:57                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-02-22 16:27                                                                 ` Leo
2008-02-22 22:57                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 22:28                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 17:35                                                       ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-20 18:04                                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 19:02                                                         ` Evans Winner
2008-02-20 21:13                                                           ` Jason Earl
2008-02-20 21:24                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 22:46                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21  7:30                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2008-02-21 22:29                                                                   ` scroll-restore.el Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 16:11                                                                     ` scroll-restore.el David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 19:32                                                                       ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-22 19:41                                                                         ` scroll-restore.el David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 19:51                                                                           ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-22 19:26                                                                     ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-20 23:15                                                               ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Jason Earl
2008-02-20 23:30                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21  0:42                                                                   ` Jason Earl
2008-02-21  9:57                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 14:36                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 14:41                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 16:13                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 16:26                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 17:18                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 17:38                                                                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 17:52                                                                                   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 21:45                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 22:24                                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 17:27                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 22:25                                                                               ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 22:59                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:17                                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 23:22                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:39                                                                                       ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-21 23:45                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:10                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-22 10:07                                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-02-22 12:19                                                                                   ` Tassilo Horn
2008-02-22 12:28                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-02-22 22:57                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 23:14                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23  0:03                                                                                           ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23  0:14                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-23  8:04                                                                                             ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-23  0:04                                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 19:29                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23  0:14                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23  0:21                                                                                           ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23  0:46                                                                                           ` Should M-SPC respect `sentence-end-double-space'? Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23  0:46                                                                                             ` Paul Pogonyshev
2008-02-23  3:23                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23  0:52                                                                                             ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23  3:11                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23  3:47                                                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23  8:33                                                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 15:47                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 17:01                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 22:28                                                                   ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Richard Stallman
2008-03-01 22:15                                                                     ` Glenn Morris
2008-03-01 22:40                                                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-02  2:56                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-02 17:25                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-02  5:51                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-02 16:09                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-02 17:25                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21  9:16                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 12:07                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-02-20 21:15                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-21  9:16                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 15:55                                                             ` Luc Teirlinck
2008-02-22  3:31                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-22 22:57                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23  0:08                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-21 22:27                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 19:09                                                       ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21  0:10                                                         ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 22:28                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 11:00                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-20 20:01                                                       ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-20 20:52                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 22:16                                                           ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMark " Drew Adams
2008-02-20 22:32                                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 22:45                                                               ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21  1:09                                                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21  1:44                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21  8:05                                                               ` Sven Joachim
2008-02-21  0:13                                                             ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21  1:44                                                               ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21  4:56                                                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 22:28                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 17:46                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 22:28                                                               ` Tentative diagnosis of Transient Mark mode's " Richard Stallman
2008-02-21  8:19                                                             ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's " Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-21  9:43                                                               ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMarkMode " Drew Adams
2008-02-21 10:54                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 17:10                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 19:28                                                                     ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-21 21:42                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-02-22 11:58                                                                     ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Robert J. Chassell
2008-02-22 14:49                                                                       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 16:37                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 10:59                                                                 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMarkMode by default] Andreas Schwab
2008-02-21 16:55                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 22:29                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21  8:05                                                           ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode " Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-21 14:54                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 17:44                                                           ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem Johan Bockgård
2008-02-21 19:21                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 22:38                                                               ` Johan Bockgård
2008-02-22  1:51                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21  9:16                                                         ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 11:34                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-24  0:53                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 21:27                                                       ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Juri Linkov
2008-02-19  9:48                                           ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default [Re: CUA-mode features and documenation] David Kastrup
2008-02-17 18:11                                     ` CUA-mode features and documenation David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-14  1:54                               ` Leo
2008-02-13 22:00                 ` change cursor type when idle Richard Stallman
2008-02-14 13:16                   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-15  0:03                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-12 19:31           ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 21:23             ` Miles Bader
2008-02-12 21:42               ` Juri Linkov

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