From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hilary J Holz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12582: 24.1.50; customize settings not persisting across sessions + CHANGED outside Customize flag issue Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:26:30 -0700 Message-ID: References: <8AF12BA9-4DFC-4E4F-BA5B-A34651EE9752@hholz.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1349476014 23072 80.91.229.3 (5 Oct 2012 22:26:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 22:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12582@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 06 00:26:59 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TKGMF-0004Ww-1n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 00:26:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54004 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKGM9-0003iQ-8k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:26:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39161) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKGM6-0003hi-I1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:26:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKGM5-0003bc-9X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:26:50 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKGM5-0003b3-69 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:26:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TKGMH-0007rq-ME for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:27:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Hilary J Holz Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12582 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: unreproducible moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 12582-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12582.134947601530229 (code B ref 12582); Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:27:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12582) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2012 22:26:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57116 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TKGM9-0007rV-Uh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:26:54 -0400 Original-Received: from p3plsmtpa01-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net ([72.167.82.83]:57733) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TKGM7-0007rG-AT for 12582@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:26:52 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 22319 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2012 22:26:32 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (98.248.211.75) by p3plsmtpa01-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.83) with ESMTP; 05 Oct 2012 22:26:32 -0000 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:65248 Archived-At: Ooo=85 Thanks, your example is very helpful. Is there a way to have the init process source shell-switcher from = github rather than a repo? Downloading it manually isn't scalable :( On Oct 5, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: > Hilary J Holz wrote: >=20 >> I would have done that if the problem had been local to the package. >> However, there remains the issue with CHANGED outside Customize. >=20 > The problem is local to the package if it only occurs with variables > from that package. Can you demonstrate this problem with any standard > Emacs custom option? >=20 > It's trivial to make such a bug occur. Eg: >=20 > (defvar shell-switcher-new-shell-function 57) >=20 > (defcustom shell-switcher-new-shell-function = 'shell-switcher-make-eshell > "..." > :group 'shell-switcher) >=20 > Evaluating that will give a "CHANGED outside Customize." message. >=20 > OK, that's an artificial example, but similar things can easily happen > for example with packages split into multiple source files that > accidentally define variables more than once. It's a bug in the = package, > not in Custom. >=20 ---- Hilary J Holz full stack web developer hilary@hholz.com http://hholz.com/ http://linkedin.com/in/hilaryholz