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Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:05:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8739rnlg7h.fsf@gmx.de> Thread-Index: Act4W28CCGsWimZhSqKMAaHQmqWCFwADnfOQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:03:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:41284 Archived-At: > > do-not-disturb | no-molestar | ne-pas-deranger | > > nao-perturbe | non-disturbare=20 > > I insist in being informed in German. "Bitte nicht st=F6ren".=20 > Otherwise, I do whatever I want to do. ;-) > > (defvar do-not-disturb nil > > "Non-nil is a sign to avoid disturbing the user. > > Code that performs a relatively unimportant action that might > > disturb the user can check this variable and choose not to act > > when it is non-nil. >=20 > It is not about "disturbing". If non-essential^W^W do-not-disturb is > non-nil, Tramp does not open a remote connection. That's all=20 > until now, and that's the reason I have asked for this kind of = variable. I understand. And in practice, today, objectively, this is used only by = Tramp (bound by Ido and Icomplete, handled by Tramp). But Stefan has been clear that he wants this to be something more = general: not necessarily about Tramp, not necessarily about remote connection, not necessarily about password-prompting, not necessarily about interrupting = the user,... He wants this to be something so general that its intention is recorded = only in terms of "disturbing the user". That's his point, not mine. I just = tried to follow up with a name and description that supports that intention. To reflect what you say and just the current situation, the name would = instead speak about Tramp not accessing remote files, not opening a remote = connection, not prompting for a password, or some such. But that is not Stefan's intention for this variable, AFAICT. Whatever gets done about this bug (probably nothing, if I had to guess), = I would like to see the doc let developers of code involving file names - in = particular, completion of possibly remote file names, know that they can bind this = to non-nil to prevent Tramp from opening a remote connection and possibly = prompting for a password. That's the most important use case, _for now_ at least. I thank you for = letting me know about this var for Icicles. My point in filing the bug was to = have the doc let others who write file-name completion code know also. I also = thought that the var name and description could be made a bit clearer. > > The week after next we will study Homeland Security Advisory System > > threat levels: `severe', `high', `significant', `general',=20 > > and `low'. >=20 > Oh, surprise. I thought there's only the threat level `severe'. ;-)