Re: XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs? (was: XEmacs)

Re: XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs? (was: XEmacs)

[Buchs, Kevin]

I am interested in using the latest spice-mode,
http://spice-mode.4t.com/, released in 2007, but it calls a function
`extent-at'. I understand that (1) that function is specific to XEmacs
and (2) Emacs doesn't have extents, it has
overlays instead.

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Re: XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs?

[Glenn Morris]

"Buchs, Kevin" wrote:

> I am interested in using the latest spice-mode,
> http://spice-mode.4t.com/, released in 2007, but it calls a function
> `extent-at'. I understand that (1) that function is specific to XEmacs
> and (2) Emacs doesn't have extents, it has
> overlays instead.

The file lisp/obsolete/lucid.el has an implementation of extent-at that
may or may not work for you. So try simply

(require 'lucid)

With a 6+ year-old package obviously designed for XEmacs, there may well
be other problems though.

As you can tell from the "obsolete" part, lucid.el has not seen (and
will not see) much attention, so don't be surprised if it doesn't work
right.

XEmacs

[Steven Degutis]

Does anyone actually use it instead of GNU Emacs?

-Steven

Re: XEmacs

[James Freer]

I tired it once and it the splash screen flickered... but that was a
couple of years ago. I don't think it's actually being maintained now.

james

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Steven Degutis <sbdegutis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone actually use it instead of GNU Emacs?
>
> -Steven
>

Re: XEmacs

[Glyn Millington]

James Freer <jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com> writes:

> I tired it once and it the splash screen flickered... but that was a
> couple of years ago. I don't think it's actually being maintained now.

It IS maintained (slowly!) and it has users.

atb



Glyn

Re: XEmacs

[James Freer]

My apologies. I read that somewhere recently... i did say "I don't think..."
Gnu Emacs is much better - i don't know why anyone should want to use Xemacs.

james

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013, Glyn Millington wrote:

> James Freer <jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I tired it once and it the splash screen flickered... but that was a
>> couple of years ago. I don't think it's actually being maintained now.
>
> It IS maintained (slowly!) and it has users.
>
> atb
>
>
>
> Glyn
>
>
>

Re: XEmacs

[glyn.millington]

James Freer <jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com> writes:

> My apologies. I read that somewhere recently... i did say "I don't
> think..."  Gnu Emacs is much better - i don't know why anyone should
> want to use Xemacs.


No worries. Having used Xemacs for years I now use Emacs myself.  There
was a time when Xemacs was way ahead of Emacs but no more.  But Xemacs
still has loyal users.   

I suspect that one  reason for sticking with Xemacs now is lots of little
customizations  and tweaks which don't easily transfer to Gnu Emacs - the
same reason why I wouldn't willingly swap my init.el for yours, because
it would change the way I work.


atb 



Glyn

XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs? (was: XEmacs)

[Bastien]

glyn.millington@gmail.com writes:

> I suspect that one  reason for sticking with Xemacs now is lots of little
> customizations  and tweaks which don't easily transfer to Gnu Emacs - the
> same reason why I wouldn't willingly swap my init.el for yours, because
> it would change the way I work.

I changed the subject -- maybe this thread is an opportunity to get a
list of XEmacs features that would be nice to have in GNU Emacs.  I'm
not thinking of architectural differences, rather of small convenient
commands or options.

-- 
 Bastien

Re: XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs? (was: XEmacs)

[Ian van der Neut]

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Not sure if it's small, but here goes.

In vim, Sublime Text, and others (osx textmate I've been told) you can set
an option that will save the file in the current frame when it loses focus.
While googling to check if Emacs can be configured to have the same
behaviour I found that XEmacs has a 'deselect-frame-hook' that could be
used for this. From the same googling, I found that Emacs would require
something beyond a mere elisp module, but it would have to be implemented
in the core C code itself.

I would really like this option, since I am "frame oriented". I tend to
have quite a few frames open and use "focus follows mouse" which is
available in any Linux desktop. I move my mouse to a terminal window to
type 'make' or run the python/bash/what-have-you script and I would like
emacs to save at least the buffer of the frame I just left and perhaps even
all buffers (but since they wouldn't have focus anymore, they'd already
been saved anyway).

Ian.


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:

> glyn.millington@gmail.com writes:
>
> > I suspect that one  reason for sticking with Xemacs now is lots of little
> > customizations  and tweaks which don't easily transfer to Gnu Emacs - the
> > same reason why I wouldn't willingly swap my init.el for yours, because
> > it would change the way I work.
>
> I changed the subject -- maybe this thread is an opportunity to get a
> list of XEmacs features that would be nice to have in GNU Emacs.  I'm
> not thinking of architectural differences, rather of small convenient
> commands or options.
>
> --
>  Bastien
>
>


-- 
One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null
word.
-- Excerpt from the notebooks of Lazarus Long, from Robert Heinlein's "Time
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Re: XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs? (was: XEmacs)

[Ian van der Neut]

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Well, answering my own question. While googling for the
deselect-frame-hook, I found that since I last looked, someone came up with
a solution:

http://datamaskinen.medeltiden.org/emacs-save-buffers-on-window-blur.html(dated
22 January, and last I searched was December... figures)

Just tested it. Works too.

Ian :)


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Ian van der Neut <ivdneut@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not sure if it's small, but here goes.
>
> In vim, Sublime Text, and others (osx textmate I've been told) you can set
> an option that will save the file in the current frame when it loses focus.
> While googling to check if Emacs can be configured to have the same
> behaviour I found that XEmacs has a 'deselect-frame-hook' that could be
> used for this. From the same googling, I found that Emacs would require
> something beyond a mere elisp module, but it would have to be implemented
> in the core C code itself.
>
> I would really like this option, since I am "frame oriented". I tend to
> have quite a few frames open and use "focus follows mouse" which is
> available in any Linux desktop. I move my mouse to a terminal window to
> type 'make' or run the python/bash/what-have-you script and I would like
> emacs to save at least the buffer of the frame I just left and perhaps even
> all buffers (but since they wouldn't have focus anymore, they'd already
> been saved anyway).
>
> Ian.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote:
>
>> glyn.millington@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> > I suspect that one  reason for sticking with Xemacs now is lots of
>> little
>> > customizations  and tweaks which don't easily transfer to Gnu Emacs -
>> the
>> > same reason why I wouldn't willingly swap my init.el for yours, because
>> > it would change the way I work.
>>
>> I changed the subject -- maybe this thread is an opportunity to get a
>> list of XEmacs features that would be nice to have in GNU Emacs.  I'm
>> not thinking of architectural differences, rather of small convenient
>> commands or options.
>>
>> --
>>  Bastien
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null
> word.
> -- Excerpt from the notebooks of Lazarus Long, from Robert Heinlein's
> "Time Enough for Love"
>



-- 
One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null
word.
-- Excerpt from the notebooks of Lazarus Long, from Robert Heinlein's "Time
Enough for Love"

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Re: XEmacs feature missing in GNU Emacs? (was: XEmacs)

[Ian van der Neut]

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On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Ian van der Neut <ivdneut@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, answering my own question. While googling for the
> deselect-frame-hook, I found that since I last looked, someone came up with
> a solution:
>
> http://datamaskinen.medeltiden.org/emacs-save-buffers-on-window-blur.html(dated 22 January, and last I searched was December... figures)
>
> Just tested it. Works too.
>

But not with emacsclient :( but perhaps there's enough hints in there to
fix that.

Ian.
-- 
One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null
word.
-- Excerpt from the notebooks of Lazarus Long, from Robert Heinlein's "Time
Enough for Love"

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