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[73.97.209.57]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t7sm9205772paz.21.2016.08.11.22.27.04 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:27:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:206579 Archived-At: > On 11 Aug 2016, at 21:37, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 > I'm told that the MELPA site requires nonfree software: >=20 >> The navigational buttons do nothing while the rest of what would >> show on the homepage without LibreJS deactivated is absent. >=20 > This is unethical and works directly against what we say. Does anyone > here know the site maintainers well enough to convince them to fix > this? >=20 > Please respond if you can try. The melpa site includes two links at the bottom of the page, one to the = source of the page, and one to =E2=80=9CJavascript license = information=E2=80=9D. The second one goes to: http://melpa.org/jslicense.html=20 This page is totally viewable in eww, and all of the licenses on it seem = to be compatible with the GPL according to: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html That said, I imagine that there might be some troubles with LibreJS = identifying javascript libraries correctly; I=E2=80=99ve heard comments = that suggest that LibreJS is imperfect at this job so far.=20 I don=E2=80=99t use the melpa web site anymore myself, and I don=E2=80=99t= have any particular connection to the maintainers there myself. Hope this helps, ~Chad