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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316316 Archived-At: > On Feb 18, 2024, at 9:08=E2=80=AFAM, Po Lu wrote: >=20 > JD Smith writes: >=20 >> This is the slippery slope I alluded to, and it is a credible >> argument. To explore its boundaries, let's consider a scenario in >> which the IDL language were well and truly dead. No existing = licensed >> interpreter capable of running IDL code existed any longer on any >> system (licenses expire). Would maintaining this package in the core >> be worth it at that point? If not, this indicates that the costs are >> indeed non-zero. >=20 > No, the question of cost to maintainence is simply moot if the = software > should become irreversibly useless. Please, let's be reasonable, > consider realistic scenarios, and save the extreme hypotheticals for > another day. I don't judge this to be an unreasonable or extreme hypothetical. I = (sadly) give a 25% chance that this actually happens in the next 10 = years =E2=80=94 a demonstrable peril of non-free software. =20=