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From: Jean-Christophe Helary <fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
To: Tassilo Horn <thorn+news@fastmail.fm>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:12:39 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F1B14700-624E-45F0-B635-E2E0F705AA28@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87hcnujljg.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de>


On 24 juil. 07, at 16:41, Tassilo Horn wrote:
>>> Why emacs only have English menu?
>>
>> Because Emacs is a much more complex program, and therefore adding
>> localization support to it is a much harder job.  And because no one
>> volunteered to do that job.
>
> Another cause is that emacs has a precise terminology. To blur it  
> would
> be a source of confusion.
>
> Also, emacs has a gazillion extension packages developed mostly by one
> author each and those won't be localized anyway. IMHO a program that
> uses one language and the same terminology everywhere is much better
> than a mixture of (possibly bad) localizations and original content.

Do you actually use localized applications or do you just suppose  
that localizers are less good at doing their jobs then coders at  
doing theirs ?

> And finally I think there's no real demand for localizations. The
> average emacs user is a techie, a programer or maybe an author -- at
> least somebody who needs to edit huge amounts of text

And that means that technical writers who use OpenOffice can't be  
bothered with localizations ? Or that techies who use Debian don't  
give a damn about localization ? Who are you trying to convince here ?


Jean-Christophe Helary

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-24 11:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-23 12:03 Why emacs have not native language menu lu
2007-07-23 19:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-23 22:42   ` lu
2007-07-24  0:17   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24  0:36     ` Nick Roberts
2007-07-24  1:00       ` Emacs localization (Re: Why emacs have not native language menu) Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24  8:04         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]       ` <mailman.3832.1185238836.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24  7:48         ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-24 11:19           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:23             ` Peter Dyballa
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3854.1185275992.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 11:35             ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2007-07-24 12:10               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 14:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 14:50                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:11                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-07-24 15:21                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.3880.1185290519.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 16:30                         ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 16:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 18:51                         ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-25 20:00                   ` Translation of Emacs Info manuals (was: Emacs localization ...) Reiner Steib
2007-07-26  3:11                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26  4:42                     ` Translation of Emacs Info manuals Katsumi Yamaoka
2007-07-26 12:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 11:45             ` Emacs localization (Re: Why emacs have not native language menu) Jason Rumney
2007-07-24 10:05     ` Why emacs have not native language menu Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 11:05       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 11:12         ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 11:21           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]         ` <86FA8DD5-B87E-4E64-90C8-04AA81B9469\x04A@Web.DE>
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3855.1185276075.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:54             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-07-24 14:00               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 14:40                 ` William Case
2007-07-24 15:08                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.3874.1185289573.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25  5:53                   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3866.1185285646.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 14:26                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-07-24 14:57                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3873.1185289068.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 16:02                     ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-25  5:16                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-25  6:44                         ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25  6:55                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-25 10:38                             ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 16:47                             ` William Case
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.3973.1185382240.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-27 20:28                               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-25  9:36                           ` Dmitri Minaev
2007-07-25 11:15                             ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 12:01                               ` Dmitri Minaev
2007-07-25 13:06                                 ` Alexey Pustyntsev
2007-07-25 13:17                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-07-26  4:16                                   ` Dmitri Minaev
2007-07-25 12:28                               ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-25 12:59                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.3943.1185346523.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 10:51                             ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-25 12:05                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.3957.1185365137.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 12:31                                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 14:56                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
     [not found]       ` <mailman.3850.1185275133.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:30         ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 15:25           ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:52             ` William Case
2007-07-24 16:29               ` Why emacs have not native language menu -- TYPO William Case
2007-07-24 18:40               ` Why emacs have not native language menu Peter Dyballa
     [not found]   ` <mailman.3826.1185230563.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24  3:45     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-24 11:29       ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 12:18         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:24           ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:39             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3860.1185279523.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:48           ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 13:10             ` Hadron
2007-07-24 14:02               ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 14:19                 ` Hadron
2007-07-25 21:56                   ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-07-26 13:36                     ` Hadron
2007-07-26 15:02                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-26 19:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27  0:23                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 10:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 11:52                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 12:06                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 13:32                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-27 18:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 18:45                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.4046.1185495843.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-27 12:00                             ` Hadron
2007-07-27 15:00                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.4017.1185462177.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-27 20:31                         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 21:01                           ` ryofurue
2007-07-26 14:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-26 15:03                     ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-26 16:02                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.4022.1185465812.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-26 16:56                         ` Pascal Bourguignon
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.4016.1185461692.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-26 17:57                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-07-27 18:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-27 20:35                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-28  7:30                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 14:58               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-07-24 15:12                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 16:27                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3872.1185289026.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 15:57                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 21:46             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-25 10:42               ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-24 13:07         ` Hadron
2007-07-24 14:09           ` Pascal Bourguignon
2007-07-25  0:48       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2007-07-25  5:42         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-25  8:11         ` Peter Dyballa
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3947.1185351202.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 10:19           ` Ilya Zakharevich
     [not found]           ` <200707251019.l6PAJ3Zu021410@powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu>
2007-07-25 12:22             ` Peter Dyballa
     [not found]             ` <mailman.3958.1185366162.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-25 20:25               ` Ilya Zakharevich
2007-07-25 20:34                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
     [not found] ` <mailman.3810.1185219229.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24  7:41   ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-24 11:12     ` Jean-Christophe Helary [this message]
2007-07-24 11:53       ` David Hansen
2007-07-24 12:23         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2007-07-24 15:21       ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-24 15:27         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3853.1185275573.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24 12:32       ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-25 19:45         ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-26  8:12           ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-25 19:31     ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-26  8:00       ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-26  8:16         ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-26 19:35           ` Reiner Steib
2007-07-26 11:33         ` Hadron
2007-07-26 14:20           ` David Hansen
     [not found] <mailman.3788.1185192228.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-23 13:53 ` poppyer
2007-07-23 22:45   ` lu
     [not found]   ` <mailman.3827.1185230730.32220.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-07-24  7:43     ` Tassilo Horn

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