* GNU Emacs ported to Android @ 2012-08-21 15:22 Karl Voit 2012-08-21 17:42 ` Ian Barton 2012-08-21 17:43 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Karl Voit @ 2012-08-21 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw To: emacs-orgmode Hi! I just stumbled upon https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zielm.emacs&hl=en It is still in an early phase but still I am dreaming of having Org-mode on my XOOM tablet ... :-) HW/SW-keyboard is still an issue here IMHO. The Ctrl/ESC keys of my freedom pro HW-Bluetooth-keyboard does not seem to work on Android :-( I tried it for using mutt/slrn over ConnectBot/ssh ... Anybody else sharing experiences with Emacs or HW-keyboards on Android? -- Karl Voit ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: GNU Emacs ported to Android 2012-08-21 15:22 GNU Emacs ported to Android Karl Voit @ 2012-08-21 17:42 ` Ian Barton 2012-08-22 8:17 ` 'Mash (Thomas Herbert) 2012-08-21 17:43 ` Bastien 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Ian Barton @ 2012-08-21 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw To: emacs-orgmode On 21/08/12 16:22, Karl Voit wrote: > I just stumbled upon > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zielm.emacs&hl=en > > It is still in an early phase but still I am dreaming of having > Org-mode on my XOOM tablet ... :-) > > HW/SW-keyboard is still an issue here IMHO. The Ctrl/ESC keys of my > freedom pro HW-Bluetooth-keyboard does not seem to work on Android > :-( I tried it for using mutt/slrn over ConnectBot/ssh ... > > Anybody else sharing experiences with Emacs or HW-keyboards on > Android? > Thanks for the heads up. Off to play. The android Hackers Keyboard has Ctrl, Alt, etc. I use it to run Emacs via a terminal. However, a hardware keyboard that worked would be great. Ian. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: GNU Emacs ported to Android 2012-08-21 17:42 ` Ian Barton @ 2012-08-22 8:17 ` 'Mash (Thomas Herbert) 2012-08-22 10:56 ` Org-mode on Android (was: GNU Emacs ported to Android) Karl Voit 2012-08-22 12:53 ` GNU Emacs ported to Android Allen S. Rout 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: 'Mash (Thomas Herbert) @ 2012-08-22 8:17 UTC (permalink / raw To: emacs-orgmode On 2012-08-21 18:42+0100, Ian Barton wrote: > On 21/08/12 16:22, Karl Voit wrote: > > >I just stumbled upon > >https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zielm.emacs&hl=en > > > >It is still in an early phase but still I am dreaming of having > >Org-mode on my XOOM tablet ... :-) > > > >HW/SW-keyboard is still an issue here IMHO. The Ctrl/ESC keys of my > >freedom pro HW-Bluetooth-keyboard does not seem to work on Android > >:-( I tried it for using mutt/slrn over ConnectBot/ssh ... > > > >Anybody else sharing experiences with Emacs or HW-keyboards on > >Android? > > > Thanks for the heads up. Off to play. The android Hackers Keyboard > has Ctrl, Alt, etc. I use it to run Emacs via a terminal. However, a > hardware keyboard that worked would be great. > > Ian. > Tempted to get one of these at some point. http://www.freedominput.com/freedom-accessories/freedom-pro-keyboard 'Mash ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Org-mode on Android (was: GNU Emacs ported to Android) 2012-08-22 8:17 ` 'Mash (Thomas Herbert) @ 2012-08-22 10:56 ` Karl Voit 2012-08-22 12:53 ` GNU Emacs ported to Android Allen S. Rout 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Karl Voit @ 2012-08-22 10:56 UTC (permalink / raw To: emacs-orgmode * 'Mash (Thomas Herbert) <mashdot@toshine.net> wrote: > > Tempted to get one of these at some point. > http://www.freedominput.com/freedom-accessories/freedom-pro-keyboard Got one of those. Esc, Ctrl, ... are not usable with Android up to 4.1.1 :-( The thing is that I do think that MobileOrg is a great workaround, but still a workaround. Native Emacs running on an Android device would be cool to be able to use all features of Org-mode. This would stop the lag behind development of any mobile app such as MobileOrg. But there is a looong way to go before Org-mode on Android is a viable solution IMHO. -- Karl Voit ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: GNU Emacs ported to Android 2012-08-22 8:17 ` 'Mash (Thomas Herbert) 2012-08-22 10:56 ` Org-mode on Android (was: GNU Emacs ported to Android) Karl Voit @ 2012-08-22 12:53 ` Allen S. Rout 2012-08-22 13:57 ` Jason F. McBrayer 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Allen S. Rout @ 2012-08-22 12:53 UTC (permalink / raw To: emacs-orgmode On 08/22/2012 04:17 AM, 'Mash (Thomas Herbert) wrote: > On 2012-08-21 18:42+0100, Ian Barton wrote: >> On 21/08/12 16:22, Karl Voit wrote: >> >>> Anybody else sharing experiences with Emacs or HW-keyboards on >>> Android? >>> >> Thanks for the heads up. Off to play. The android Hackers Keyboard >> has Ctrl, Alt, etc. I use it to run Emacs via a terminal. However, a >> hardware keyboard that worked would be great. >> >> Ian. >> > > Tempted to get one of these at some point. > http://www.freedominput.com/freedom-accessories/freedom-pro-keyboard I own it. It doesn't work, at least 2.2.1 on my MyTouch 4G (and my G1, but...) The problem is not with the hardware per se; the keyboard driver in _android_ (not at the bluetooth layer) specifically omitted the key modifier concept, so ctrl, M-, alt just don't happen. I've been hoping that the Android-as-USB-host stuff announced at the last IO would unscrew that problem, but haven't followed its progress much. - Allen S. Rout ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: GNU Emacs ported to Android 2012-08-22 12:53 ` GNU Emacs ported to Android Allen S. Rout @ 2012-08-22 13:57 ` Jason F. McBrayer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Jason F. McBrayer @ 2012-08-22 13:57 UTC (permalink / raw To: emacs-orgmode On 22.08.2012 08:53, Allen S. Rout wrote: > The problem is not with the hardware per se; the keyboard driver in > _android_ (not at the bluetooth layer) specifically omitted the key > modifier concept, so ctrl, M-, alt just don't happen. Weird. Is that driver issue only relevant to hardware keyboards? Because ctrl and alt both work fine in Hacker's Keyboard. Does which soft keyboard you have active affect the behaviour of the hardware keyboard? http://source.android.com/tech/input/keyboard-devices.html mentions Android key codes for left and right versions of control, alt, shift and meta. I admit to knowing very little about this, and would like to learn more. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | If someone conquers a thousand times a thousand others in | | battle, and someone else conquers himself, the latter one | | is the greatest of all conquerors. --- The Dhammapada | ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: GNU Emacs ported to Android 2012-08-21 15:22 GNU Emacs ported to Android Karl Voit 2012-08-21 17:42 ` Ian Barton @ 2012-08-21 17:43 ` Bastien 2012-08-23 1:00 ` Torsten Wagner 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2012-08-21 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw To: news1142; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Karl, Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at> writes: > Anybody else sharing experiences with Emacs or HW-keyboards on > Android? sorry to act like a police officer, but please keep those discussions where they belong to -- either some Android or Emacs list. You will probably have more answers on help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Thanks for your understanding! -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: GNU Emacs ported to Android 2012-08-21 17:43 ` Bastien @ 2012-08-23 1:00 ` Torsten Wagner 2012-08-23 4:59 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Torsten Wagner @ 2012-08-23 1:00 UTC (permalink / raw Cc: news1142, emacs-orgmode Hi Bastien, I guess many many people here are looking since a long time how to run a full version of org-mode on a mobile device. Thus, I believe the announcement itself was well placed. If we can keep the discussion towards how org-mode on an android version of emacs works out, I guess we are save for any police raids, right? ;) E.g. if this is getting a little bigger, it might be interesting to discuss a mobile-minor mode in org-mode which maps certain features to easier to enter keyboard shortcuts. Maybe someone can even thing of a specific emacs org-mode soft-keyboard which maps the most used functions to individual keys directly (not sure if this is possible) Torsten On 22 August 2012 02:43, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote: > Hi Karl, > > Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at> writes: > >> Anybody else sharing experiences with Emacs or HW-keyboards on >> Android? > > sorry to act like a police officer, but please keep those discussions > where they belong to -- either some Android or Emacs list. You will > probably have more answers on help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > Thanks for your understanding! > > -- > Bastien > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: GNU Emacs ported to Android 2012-08-23 1:00 ` Torsten Wagner @ 2012-08-23 4:59 ` Carsten Dominik 2012-08-23 6:04 ` Bastien ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2012-08-23 4:59 UTC (permalink / raw To: Torsten Wagner; +Cc: news1142, emacs-orgmode On 23.8.2012, at 03:00, Torsten Wagner wrote: > Hi Bastien, > > I guess many many people here are looking since a long time how to run > a full version of org-mode on a mobile device. > Thus, I believe the announcement itself was well placed. > If we can keep the discussion towards how org-mode on an android > version of emacs works out, I guess we are save for any police raids, > right? ;) > E.g. if this is getting a little bigger, it might be interesting to > discuss a mobile-minor mode in org-mode which maps certain features to > easier to enter keyboard shortcuts. > Maybe someone can even thing of a specific emacs org-mode > soft-keyboard which maps the most used functions to individual keys > directly (not sure if this is possible) I think speed keys http://orgmode.org/manual/Speed-keys.html#Speed-keys will already go a long way to make Org-mode usable on an Emacs with no or limited modifier support. So your minor mode could largely be an expansion of the speed key setup. - Carsten > > Torsten > > On 22 August 2012 02:43, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote: >> Hi Karl, >> >> Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at> writes: >> >>> Anybody else sharing experiences with Emacs or HW-keyboards on >>> Android? >> >> sorry to act like a police officer, but please keep those discussions >> where they belong to -- either some Android or Emacs list. You will >> probably have more answers on help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >> >> Thanks for your understanding! >> >> -- >> Bastien >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: GNU Emacs ported to Android 2012-08-23 4:59 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2012-08-23 6:04 ` Bastien 2012-08-23 9:09 ` Carsten Dominik 2012-08-23 7:45 ` Torsten Wagner 2012-08-23 13:52 ` Jason F. McBrayer 2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2012-08-23 6:04 UTC (permalink / raw To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: news1142, emacs-orgmode Hi Torsten, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes: > I think speed keys http://orgmode.org/manual/Speed-keys.html#Speed-keys > will already go a long way to make Org-mode usable on an Emacs with > no or limited modifier support. So your minor mode could largely be > an expansion of the speed key setup. Yes. This and org-mouse.el, which can be useful for touch interactions with the buffer. I'm not using org-mouse.el that much though, so if anyone wants to test and report what needs to be enhanced there, please do so. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: GNU Emacs ported to Android 2012-08-23 6:04 ` Bastien @ 2012-08-23 9:09 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2012-08-23 9:09 UTC (permalink / raw To: Bastien; +Cc: news1142, emacs-orgmode On 23 aug. 2012, at 08:04, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote: > Hi Torsten, > > Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes: > >> I think speed keys http://orgmode.org/manual/Speed-keys.html#Speed-keys >> will already go a long way to make Org-mode usable on an Emacs with >> no or limited modifier support. So your minor mode could largely be >> an expansion of the speed key setup. > > Yes. > > This and org-mouse.el, which can be useful for touch interactions with > the buffer. Ah yes, indeed. Maybe long tap could be used to trigger the actions defined by org-mouse.el. > I'm not using org-mouse.el that much though, so if anyone > wants to test and report what needs to be enhanced there, please do so. > > -- > Bastien - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: GNU Emacs ported to Android 2012-08-23 4:59 ` Carsten Dominik 2012-08-23 6:04 ` Bastien @ 2012-08-23 7:45 ` Torsten Wagner 2012-08-23 13:52 ` Jason F. McBrayer 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Torsten Wagner @ 2012-08-23 7:45 UTC (permalink / raw To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: news1142, emacs-orgmode Hi Carsten, great! Once more org-mode has already a solution for a not yet existing problem ;) I am not aware of any (non programming language) software project which is more flexible and foreseeing then org-mode. Torsten On 23 August 2012 13:59, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 23.8.2012, at 03:00, Torsten Wagner wrote: > >> Hi Bastien, >> >> I guess many many people here are looking since a long time how to run >> a full version of org-mode on a mobile device. >> Thus, I believe the announcement itself was well placed. >> If we can keep the discussion towards how org-mode on an android >> version of emacs works out, I guess we are save for any police raids, >> right? ;) >> E.g. if this is getting a little bigger, it might be interesting to >> discuss a mobile-minor mode in org-mode which maps certain features to >> easier to enter keyboard shortcuts. >> Maybe someone can even thing of a specific emacs org-mode >> soft-keyboard which maps the most used functions to individual keys >> directly (not sure if this is possible) > > > I think speed keys http://orgmode.org/manual/Speed-keys.html#Speed-keys > will already go a long way to make Org-mode usable on an Emacs with > no or limited modifier support. So your minor mode could largely be > an expansion of the speed key setup. > > - Carsten > >> >> Torsten >> >> On 22 August 2012 02:43, Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote: >>> Hi Karl, >>> >>> Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at> writes: >>> >>>> Anybody else sharing experiences with Emacs or HW-keyboards on >>>> Android? >>> >>> sorry to act like a police officer, but please keep those discussions >>> where they belong to -- either some Android or Emacs list. You will >>> probably have more answers on help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >>> >>> Thanks for your understanding! >>> >>> -- >>> Bastien >>> >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: GNU Emacs ported to Android 2012-08-23 4:59 ` Carsten Dominik 2012-08-23 6:04 ` Bastien 2012-08-23 7:45 ` Torsten Wagner @ 2012-08-23 13:52 ` Jason F. McBrayer 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Jason F. McBrayer @ 2012-08-23 13:52 UTC (permalink / raw To: emacs-orgmode On 23.08.2012 00:59, Carsten Dominik wrote: > I think speed keys > http://orgmode.org/manual/Speed-keys.html#Speed-keyswill already go a > long way to make Org-mode usable on an Emacs with no or limited > modifier support. So your minor mode could largely be an expansion of > the speed key setup. I've run emacs a little bit in a Fedora-ARM chroot on my Android tablet, and speed keys were definitely my primary means of interacting with it. The modifier support was not *that* limited -- running it in a local ConnectBot session and using Hacker's Keyboard is as-far-as-I-can-tell equivalent to a normal TTY Emacs with a PC keyboard. But, of course, the modifier support in a normal TTY Emacs is a little limited. My notes on running Emacs and Org-mode in this environment are at http://www.carcosa.net/jason/blog/computing/emacs/2012-07-19-21-31-emacs-on-android.html if anyone is interested. The setup bits are a bit obsolete given the new native app that's out, but the native app basically wraps a terminal app around an ARM-linux emacs, so a lot of things still apply. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | If someone conquers a thousand times a thousand others in | | battle, and someone else conquers himself, the latter one | | is the greatest of all conquerors. --- The Dhammapada | ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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