From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chiron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs: Problems of the Scratch Buffer Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:47:32 GMT Organization: TeraNews.com Message-ID: References: <1bqkr.13803$mL3.9455@newsfe23.iad> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335027014 27473 80.91.229.3 (21 Apr 2012 16:50:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:50:14 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 21 18:50:14 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SLdVk-0002hy-Mn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:50:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53475 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLdVk-0002j1-5O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:50:12 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe19.iad.POSTED!7ed62f90!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Original-Lines: 38 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@teranews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:47:32 UTC X-Received-Bytes: 2915 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:192159 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:84574 Archived-At: On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:35:58 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Chiron Date: Sat, >> 21 Apr 2012 14:59:34 GMT >> >> I am arguing for the right of the current maintainers to make or to not >> make whatever changes they feel are appropriate; and I am saying that >> if the maintainers don't choose to make certain changes, that does not >> necessarily make them fossils, behind the times, stupid, or whatever. >> It may simply be that they don't think those changes are important. > > A purely theoretical argument that is not relevant to the reality (in > which the maintainers _do_ make changes requested by users, albeit not > automatically and not without discussing them first). Eli, I was responding to someone who was complaining that these maintainers weren't making certain changes that the person felt would be good. Whoever this person was (he's in this thread, but I'm not going to go digging for it) said something mildly derogatory about the maintainers, as though their failure to make these changes was in some way a defect. I argued that the maintainers had the right to not make the changes, and that doesn't make them deficient in any way. It is only a "purely theoretical" argument if taken out of context. Oh, yes. Someone also was criticizing me for saying, in effect, "If you don't like emacs, don't use emacs." His solution was to try to get someone to change emacs to make it more attractive to new users, because if you had lots of new users this would lead to an improved product. By that logic, Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Word would be the best software out there. I'm not sure everyone would agree with such a claim, though. -- Duty, n: What one expects from others. -- Oscar Wilde