From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Emacs manual mentioning thumbs mode but not tumme Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:47:39 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177084181 31598 80.91.229.12 (20 Apr 2007 15:49:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:49:41 +0000 (UTC) To: , "Mathias Dahl" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 20 17:49:35 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HevMZ-0002xO-32 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:49:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HevRd-0008Vx-6n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:54:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HevRZ-0008VR-DO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:54:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HevRW-0008UT-Vq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:54:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HevRW-0008UQ-Pt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:54:38 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HevMR-00080E-Jm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:49:23 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.110]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l3KFnGkk018594; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:49:16 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id l3KCOGIn014906; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:49:14 -0600 Original-Received: from dhcp-amer-whq-csvpn-gw3-141-144-81-31.vpn.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2632285361177084064; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:47:44 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:69702 Archived-At: > It is mainly for images, but it is not the only way Emacs can display > images. It's not about image display; it's about image browsing. > What is special about tumme is that it displays small versions > of things. I.e., thumbnails. That might be special or new for Emacs now, but nearly all image viewers and editors use thumbnail images. I don't think that is special enough to be reflected in the library name. Especially since this library could be extended in the future to do more with images and other multimedia file types. As I said before: >> What is important for naming is that this is an >> editor/browser/viewer of the images contained in a directory. and >> it's not the thumbnails themselves that constitute the feature >> - it's the extension of editing/browsing/viewing to new file >> types, including images. Tumme adds image browsing to Emacs. It extends Dired-like behavior to other file types and displays thumbnail images of those files. That thumbnail images are used for image browsing is taken for granted by users, a no-brainer. The thumbnail feature will become less novel/noticeable in the future, and the library might well be extended to do more things with the files and treat more file types. I suggest emphasizing the library's Dired-like, image-browser behavior. I also propose integrating it with Dired, after the release. A name that suggests an extension of Dired to images etc. is appropriate. I suggested `dired-images' and `dired-img'. `dired-media' and `dired-view' are other possibilities, leaving open what gets viewed. If there are no plans to integrate Tumme with Dired, then perhaps `img-browser', `media-browse', `media-view', or something like that. If there are plans to add image editing, then perhaps `image-edit'. > So it makes sense to use the term "thumb" in a name for this mode.... > How about `thumbnail-images'? I don't think so. What Tumme adds to Emacs is a practical way to browse a collection of images. That includes using thumbnail images...of course. Thumbnails might be a novelty for Emacs now, but they are standard for any image browser. A user doesn't load such a library in order to see thumbnails, but to browse a directory of images.