From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Emacs manual mentioning thumbs mode but not tumme Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:34:09 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87vefphy2v.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177227285 21695 80.91.229.12 (22 Apr 2007 07:34:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:34:45 +0000 (UTC) To: "Emacs-Devel" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 22 09:34:37 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HfWaj-0001zF-8e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:34:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HfWfz-0002TY-7l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:40:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HfWfv-0002RM-EQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:39:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HfWfu-0002Ql-RY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:39:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HfWfu-0002QX-O9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:39:58 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HfWae-0002zL-0E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:34:32 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.110]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l3M7YRbH026060 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:34:27 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id l3M7YQ4H032058 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:34:26 -0600 Original-Received: from dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw1-141-144-65-4.vpn.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2635326511177227255; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:34:15 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <87vefphy2v.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:69773 Archived-At: > > We should rename tumme now, one way or another, before it is in > > a release. Would someone please do this? > > This is a spectacularly bad idea, but I guess this is one of those > "avoid weeks of useless argument" situations. > > So, fine. > > I renamed "tumme" to "thumbnails". I found "image-dired" unsuitable > because there would be functions called "image-dired-dired-next-line" > and so forth (which can't be renamed "image-dired-next-line" because > there is already such a function). Also, tumme was not *only* used > with Dired. > > [Cue 1000 line essay by Drew Adams about why "thumbnails" is a poor > choice of name. Whatever, dude.] Come off it, "dude". Trolling? I'll bite. I entered this thread near its end - 9 days after it started. It had already long since (on its 5th day) moved to a discussion of the file name. For the record, I don't really care. "tumme" is fine with me, as are "hotdog", "falafel", "chong", and "dpsht". Really. I named two of my own libraries "icicles" and "doremi" - I have no problem with animal, vegetal, mineral, whimsical, nonsensical, and non-English names. I supported the thought, argued first by others, that this is not really about thumbnails. Mathias agreed that "the thumbnails themselves aren't what is important". IF we're looking for a descriptive English name, then the argument is that "thumbnails" is not it. A day before my first post, Dieter suggested "image-viewer" and "image-manager" - very close to the discussion's fix-point, it turns out. I argued that Tumme is Dired-like and could have "dired" in the name. I emphasized Dired and viewing or browsing of images, as opposed to thumbnails. I offered "dired-images", "dired-img", "dired-media", "dired-view", `img-browser', `media-browse', `media-view', and `image-edit'. Kim suggested "image-browser". David mentioned that "thumbs" doesn't help you find the library, and he suggested "image-dired", "dired-image", and "vdired". Mathias agreed that "image-browser" is best, and said that this is about browsing, cataloging, viewing, and manipulating images. Only Richard argued that "what is special about tumme is that it displays...thumbnails." He suggested "thumbnail-images". I argued that thumbnails were not special and not what this is about. Richard was ultimately convinced by others, and he suggested "browse-images" and "image-dired". Nick mentioned "dired-image". That sounds to me like a general circling around the same terms by pretty much everyone, and more or less agreement that thumbnails is not the way to go. The keywords "image", "browse", and "dired" were mentioned over and over. My own opinion and arguments do not stand out from the crowd here. So what do you do? You rename it "thumbnails", and you personalize the discussion with sarcasm directed at me. Whatever, dude - hope you got your rocks off. Library `thumbnails.el' will stand as a testimonial to your frustration in dealing with others and your efficiency in "avoiding weeks of useless argument". Next question...