From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: guided tour suggestions Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:19:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87vedus1kq.fsf@phil.mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181593279 18315 80.91.229.12 (11 Jun 2007 20:21:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David House , mathias.dahl@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Phil Sung" , "Chong Yidong" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 11 22:21:17 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HxqO0-000759-AP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:21:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HxqNz-0007dE-Lx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:21:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HxqNv-0007aT-8K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:21:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HxqNt-0007XE-FS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:21:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HxqNt-0007Wx-8C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:21:05 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HxqNs-0003LI-JY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:21:04 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (rgmgw3.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.112]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l5BKKphJ008027; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:20:51 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by rgmgw3.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id l5BI7qBS006568; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:20:50 -0600 Original-Received: from dhcp-4op11-4op12-west-130-35-178-179.us.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2885970061181593142; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:19:02 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <87vedus1kq.fsf@phil.mit.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72643 Archived-At: > The in-progress version is here: > http://stuff.mit.edu/iap/emacs/emacs-guided-tour-1.html Much better! Thanks. I suspect that others will disagree, but I'd suggest mentioning something about the mouse in the Region section. I'd also suggest dropping mention of M-@ and M-h (C-x h is important, however, and we should mention that this is essentially "Select All" (often C-a)). Similarly, I wouldn't bother with all of the kill flavors: kill N lines, unless this is to be used as an illustration of C-u (in which case it doesn't belong in the Killing text section). I wouldn't mention M-k or M-z. I wouldn't mention so many key bindings, in general. I wouldn't mention anything about movement or selection of sentences and paragraphs. I agree 100%, BTW, that the aim here is not to teach how to use Emacs but to show a little of what's available. That's why key bindings are not so important to describe. (In fact, we could even just stick to menu items.) If this were more about teaching use, then I'd say we need to mention C-x C-s and C-x C-w (and...).