From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: propose adding Icicles to Emacs Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:41:13 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181587392 27619 80.91.229.12 (11 Jun 2007 18:43:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: , "Miles Bader" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 11 20:43:10 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hxor7-0000rL-Aw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:43:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hxor6-00068u-Sr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:43:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hxoqs-00062s-73 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:42:54 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hxoqq-000620-Ge for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:42:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hxoqq-00061v-7B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:42:52 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hxoqo-00052x-Vd; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:42:51 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (rgmgw2.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.111]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l5BIgmXY027122; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:42:48 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id l5BDuHmG002802; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:42:47 -0600 Original-Received: from dhcp-amer-rmdc-csvpn-gw6-141-144-116-70.vpn.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2887445551181587292; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:41:32 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72636 Archived-At: > However, it also sounds like there are a bunch of other unrelated > features, e.g., "Multi-commands" (what does this have to do with > completion?). [If these really are unrelated to main purpose, why are > they part of the same package?] > > That is a very important point. It is quite common that a user > implements, in a single Lisp program, various features which he > likes but which do not really belong together. In such a case, > to "install the package" is not really the right thing to consider. > > What we should do instead is consider each of the features separately, > and decide what to do with it. I don't disagree. In fact I hope that the features will be examined in detail and tried out. There is no other way for people to realize that the features belong together - or not.