From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:32:39 -0800 Message-ID: References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> <20140105205645.GA12781@thyrsus.com> <8738l2gcot.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388993569 27155 80.91.229.3 (6 Jan 2014 07:32:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 07:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 06 08:32:55 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W04gA-00028E-8T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 08:32:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32938 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W04g9-0006CJ-SB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 02:32:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32984) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W04g3-0006C8-1z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 02:32:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W04fy-0003rf-I0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 02:32:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x22a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a]:39784) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W04fy-0003ra-BK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 02:32:42 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id lj1so18393346pab.1 for ; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 23:32:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=kPVK1tf2+yd/toWasXQmKrIDTN67i3yV7yX+5JX3Hus=; b=JLd/61xQMrBQHCYyIU7qtDUCZ111oH/ec3Y7VXXPEMH5IJOv7soisiu22VUd7/Xoi0 y4eAygU710dUwqjEDUTYPLyGApNN5CiefMEIsUNer3RTNebGtxgYLnP1wegOYdU6UwKF 2y93SSmIVwE0VsyGPyf7xUWkcu4LfBerMXzA3soFxxPn9ifp6ocHVugJriZbBBKoECV4 /F4egGxxuJli28xtJUon63qik4IjNv0hP5GLh6/8tT1/NGi7vy+pvZEqDG/GO2FxVBZ0 nzwGvS4fxd77hbtiB0ITVAGLwVhL11EE5qIamX36vXEn98hVFNiLvBCfFq9038uJLHm1 uDZw== X-Received: by 10.68.170.225 with SMTP id ap1mr123274576pbc.117.1388993561400; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 23:32:41 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [10.0.1.37] (174-24-200-43.tukw.qwest.net. [174.24.200.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ki1sm126632994pbd.1.2014.01.05.23.32.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Jan 2014 23:32:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167452 Archived-At: On 05 Jan 2014, at 20:27, Yuri Khan wrote: > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:45 AM, David Kastrup wrote: >> James Cloos writes: >>> >>> Emacs in a terminal emulator is often superior to gui-emacs with the X >>> protocol tunneled over ssh. >> >> Why would you do that? >> >> It's so much easier and faster to just [use TRAMP] > > Because workflow. Thats what leads emacs users to Tramp, also: emacs users tend to do everything in emacs (until gnus/etc freeze emacs while updating, at which point they tend to: Get annoyed. Think about adding threading/coroutines/etc to elisp. Start a second emacs. Get something to drink. Its quite common to choose more than one at a time, of course. More seriously, tramp users would probably be sshing in from within emacs, and even if they didnt for some reason, theyre first instinct to edit is switch to emacs and, not start an editor. Ive seen people make emacsclient work in that situation, but I dunno what the current state of the art is. At the end of the day, though, Ive frequently been glad that emacs works well in a terminal, and a limited remote link is the major reason. I doubt its going away any time soon. ~Chad