From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9074: 24.0.50; problems trying to mail bug report, again Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:00:14 -0700 Message-ID: References: <3663BA016BAB46B3970AF42151AA73C4@us.oracle.com><19998.12336.856901.912384@fencepost.gnu.org><0B0D5E9653C044619A7E666BB31A90E3@us.oracle.com><877h7lz2n2.fsf@gmx.li><319A1AE11254433E913464E53A257FD4@us.oracle.com><9707E51C3F48486F8F5546673697E43C@us.oracle.com><46232DA8B2B14A4DA18949CDFE99F65A@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312311703 7109 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2011 19:01:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9074@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" , "'Lennart Borgman'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 02 21:01:37 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoKDh-0004J0-73 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Wrong. And see bug #9155. Honestly, characterizing this regression as simply asking one y-or-n question is completely . The user must edit the From field, errors are raised, etc. It is practically impossible to send a bug report from emacs -Q now. To be clear, here we go: I'll do it _again_ for you, from emacs -Q, with a Windows build from 2011-07-25: I type in a bug report and hit C-c C-c. 1. You have to answer this silly question: "Is `myuser@MYMACHINE.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me' really your email address? (yes or no)". If you are able to understand that (and why it is being asked), you will correctly answer "no". 2. "Please edit the From address and try again". And the window is scrolled all the way to the bottom, so you see only this now: ..."rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer button faces cus-face files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process multi-tty emacs)" Anyway, you make the guess that "try again" means to hit C-c C-c (?). You scroll up, find the From address, and edit it. Then you hit C-c C-c again. 3. "Send this bug report to the Emacs maintainers? (yes or no)" yes 4. "Configure outgoing SMTP in Emacs? (y or n) n (But why does the UI switch from yes/no to y/n? I already pointed this out...) 5. "Sending failed; no recipients" That, is spite of the fact that the To: field has bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org. What happened? What do you do now? No pop up of email client, nada. And here's the complete text of *Messages* (again): For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Checking for load-path shadows... Checking 1 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/site-lisp... Checking 499 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp... Checking 87 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/calc... Checking 57 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/calendar... Checking 148 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/emacs-lisp... Checking 48 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/emulation... Checking 68 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/erc... Checking 55 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/eshell... Checking 259 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/gnus... Checking 65 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/international... Checking 59 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/language... Checking 69 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/mail... Checking 48 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/mh-e... Checking 121 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/net... Checking 48 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/nxml... Checking 194 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/org... Checking 57 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/play... Checking 170 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/progmodes... Checking 88 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/textmodes... Checking 62 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/url... Checking 80 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/vc... Checking 65 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/obsolete... Checking 24 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/lisp/cedet... Checking 2 files in c:/Emacs-24-2011-07-25-lex/leim... Checking for load-path shadows...done call-interactively: Text is read-only [2 times] report-emacs-bug-hook: Please edit the From address and try again Sending... Sending via mail... Configure outgoing SMTP in Emacs? (y or n) y Setting `sendmail-query-once-function' temporarily since "emacs -q" would overwrite customizations smtpmail-send-it: Sending failed; no recipients Auto-saving... 6. Nothing was mailed. No mail client window popped up. Nothing happened. No feedback except incomprehensible messages, some of which are buried in *Messages* and were never displayed (noticeably). 7. What the <...> do you call this, if not a serious regression that hampers users from using Emacs and reporting problems? I cannot believe that this is not being taken seriously. Put yourself in the place of an Emacs newbie on Windows. Read the transcript above. Does it make you feel good about your "improvement" of the bug-reporting dialog? Stefan's only reply was "don't do it if it hurts"! Sheesh - don't report bugs? Why not replace the body of `report-emacs-bug' to just display a message: "Don't be stupid, Newbie; we don't want no stinkin bug reports".