From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: paragraphs.el: do forward-sentence and friends not work? Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:10:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: <7BC345E9-711F-48AE-AF7F-CD3C51E96A47@gmail.com> <692473D9-ADB4-4485-ADA7-B46DF6CCCD9E@gmail.com> <87wsp87hkj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1202980273 15102 80.91.229.12 (14 Feb 2008 09:11:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andreas Schwab , emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org To: Stephen J. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89061 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:21080 Archived-At: On 13 Feb 2008, at 20:00, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Because AFAIK it's still Chicago Manual of Style-standard to follow a > sentence-ending period with two spaces in typed documents. (Even with > a proportional font, Emacs will not insert extra visual space to > delimit a sentence unless it's present in the document.) I don't have the Chicago Manual of Style here, but may I quote from Wikipedia (from the French_spacing article): === Recently some widely-used American style guides, notably the Chicago Manual of Style, call for a single space after full stops and colons. [86][87] In chapter 6 Punctuation section 3 Typographic and Aesthetic Considerations, for example, the Chicago Manual of Style states: 6.11 Space between sentences In typeset matter, one space, not two (in other words, a regular word space), follows any mark of punctuation [sic] that ends a sentence, whether a period, a colon [sic], a question mark, an exclamation point, or closing quotation marks. The FAQ to the Chicago Manual of Style explicitly states that the "traditional American practice" is to double-space after colons and periods (without mentioning semi-colons) but then states that "This practice is discouraged by the University of Chicago Press".[88] === But whatever the manual says, why impose on the user? On 13 Feb 2008, at 20:36, Stefan Monnier wrote: > The problem is that "half the world" doesn't know that "the other > half" > uses 2-spaces after a ".". So the docstring of > sentence-end-double-space should probably explain that this is > a convention used throughout North America (AFAICT). I wonder whether this is either something that should be part of MULE. Or, won't setting `sentence-end-double-space' to nil make it work in most other cases? The regular expression could be improved to recognize abbreviations correctly.