From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#39663: [External] : bug#39663: 27.1; ebnf2ps bugs Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 10:23:28 +0200 Message-ID: References: <631D6235-82DE-46FE-9264-453F00ED77F7@acm.org> <87o89fag2z.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmtu770m.fsf@gnus.org> <87bl5civfb.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16298"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "39663@debbugs.gnu.org" <39663@debbugs.gnu.org>, Vinicius Jose Latorre , Stefan Monnier To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 01 10:25:58 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mLLZF-00041o-VT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 10:25:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40736 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mLLZD-00018q-2J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 04:25:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43500) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mLLXO-00089R-PM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 04:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:52893) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mLLXO-0001LY-Ex for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 04:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mLLXO-0002TP-7i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 04:24:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2021 08:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39663 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 39663-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39663.16304846359492 (code B ref 39663); Wed, 01 Sep 2021 08:24:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 39663) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Sep 2021 08:23:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36206 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mLLX8-0002Sq-71 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 04:23:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail1437c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.14.37]:39134 helo=mail263c50.megamailservers.eu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mLLX2-0002ST-Et for 39663@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 04:23:44 -0400 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1630484613; bh=CdL4pxJ+z2tGvN9p5LbBXtW/p4m9hphOoxA7PDQSreQ=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=CkMQOlW4KaC1Eim6Abq8gzqMO5RVWxjTnYVHYTStD0SzWjhyNVhS0xdUfv4/WBvGT i8wpLlRJ9CioW2ciDZkj7rEWqdDylbKJuE2SPIFMcnAJsPRRwZzchvXG/0W/u56vPv Ps7VfLS3/r2Dzx3MmaWyC4wcdhl5MP/ZzhKRMfQM= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Original-Received: from stanniol.lan (c-b952e353.032-75-73746f71.bbcust.telenor.se [83.227.82.185]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail263c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 1818NTg1009720; Wed, 1 Sep 2021 08:23:30 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87bl5civfb.fsf@gnus.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A742F25.612F3884.0068, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.4 cv=TZ71CTch c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=612f3885 a=von4qPfY+hyqc0zmWf0tYQ==:117 a=von4qPfY+hyqc0zmWf0tYQ==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=OocQHUDgAAAA:8 a=tbe3v0WF21VS1FX0A-IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xUZTl98r3Qw_uB5NK3jt:22 X-Origin-Country: SE X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:213154 Archived-At: 1 sep. 2021 kl. 09.53 skrev Lars Ingebrigtsen : > We've only moved one package from Emacs to ELPA so far, and that was = not > well received, so I don't think we should repeat that experiment. (At > least not until we've got the ELPA-bunding stuff actually = implemented.) Very well, I will not pursue the matter further. (What I write below is = not an attempt to contradict that claim.) I still think that the likely small user base of ebnf2ps would make = negative reactions unlikely -- we have been talking about moving = packages to ELPA for along time, and if we can't do it with this package = then when? > (And in general, I think moving things to ELPA generally only makes > sense if it's a package that somebody wants to work on a lot outside = of > the Emacs release schedule -- not because it's an outdated package.) Not sure I agree with that principle -- we'd have to be awfully careful = with what we allow in Emacs then, because once in, it can never be = removed, even if it didn't really belong in the tree in the first place. = Shouldn't we be more forgiving of the past mistakes of others (and of = our own)? In any case this bug can be closed as far as I'm concerned -- once = again, thanks for the help.