From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: emacs-20101122 windows binaries Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:42:30 -0800 Message-ID: References: <8762vpj9ep.fsf@gmail.com> <87d3pwt759.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net><871v6cjagz.fsf@gmail.com> <874ob7tzlr.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1290555797 9646 80.91.229.12 (23 Nov 2010 23:43:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 23:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Jason Rumney'" , "'Sean Sieger'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 24 00:43:13 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PL2W1-00070Z-IY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 00:43:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44030 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PL2W1-0006rX-2Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:43:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54088 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PL2Vt-0006op-7E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:43:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PL2Vs-0000fL-A0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:43:05 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:49176) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PL2Vq-0000f5-Oa; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:43:02 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id oANNgxaR001047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 Nov 2010 23:43:00 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id oANL0Faw027246; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 23:42:57 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt012.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 807619121290555749; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:42:29 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.218.132) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:42:29 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <874ob7tzlr.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> Thread-Index: AcuLYkTy99mEimQ7Slmh74tArT+vfQABNFNQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:133100 Archived-At: > In my experience, users complain (still in 2010) about the size of the > binary if it changes drastically between releases. So shipping without > debug info avoids such complaints at the expense that bugs are harder to > debug Dumb question: Just what do you guys mean by "shipping"? Don't we just post the files on the Internet and let users download them? In that case, I would think that the only drawbacks to our providing both versions (debug or not) would be disk space at GNU (and other sites for downloading) and preparation time for Emacs developers (twice the work, whatever it might be). Users could themselves decide whether they want to pay the penalties of additional local disk space and increased download time (and build time?). What am I missing wrt "shipping"?