From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Accessing "Introduction to Emacs Lisp Manual" from Info within Emacs. Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 16:02:51 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8bewTW6tyu-8fhRb9IiduYkguI6VfZbUAbcYAz51ruWePGXq3_1mQ94hb3KiihsdSBkxGU-tiNV5L9tm6GDjkt1wPKXR4ZxFMmz4g5v2B9w=@proton.me> <83a5w7g6ec.fsf@gnu.org> <2sitMI6nW5Y3rIrngsL4du7rLEnIgUbpwGln8UxaetmJz9fv2R8jrwT5hxYGUQk4gKBVifswq8OHLpCnUDMyWWBMPm1DlQtDkwnytFxWtCI=@proton.me> <837crbg4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <87lefriwm2.fsf@rub.de> <87h6qfiuy5.fsf@rub.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40622"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stephen Berman Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 07 18:03:48 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qHnvu-000AKw-UV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 18:03:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHnvO-00009A-Ja; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 12:03:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHnvH-0008QG-W7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 12:03:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4325.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHnvD-0001gB-Vq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 12:03:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1688745780; x=1689004980; bh=fiV+QKeVkyTIC942V8q/QPW8YOAXBV8ByrNvLAs9V5Y=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=I3V4Zb9EfNW4KIIpfXl2a9aEHzcEqIxJWD1OgwVbjuy2uAkHvoMSVPq1lzENAAUim mlc8fEl1kcVAGytOVSqfO/tZKJfvVcivM8tclOgddGqn9eL9pryRs84Zt/LWKR4g2A fnDVCsdDcIefRNbHWiSapX4pm4ihEYwaDh5mitEE+P/x3PlJWjKC1prFjOHcO8kR/S yEWTy2keYHbM6H3W9uFFDJp1CoXuw5CWcKbVtMGneaksEU3XiiqP4RXxjUOl0NJFCH I+kCWxmattzhb/JFlAZpF1A0UFg3Ytgv36IaofkT6mNcicvKTERHrqiJ4ufryFMmcb 2ubtuqSoTrGMw== In-Reply-To: <87h6qfiuy5.fsf@rub.de> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.25; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-4325.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144171 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Saturday, July 8th, 2023 at 3:48 AM, Stephen Berman wrote: > On Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:41:01 +0000 uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me wrote: >=20 > > ------- Original Message ------- > > On Saturday, July 8th, 2023 at 3:12 AM, Stephen Berman > > stephen.berman@gmx.net wrote: > >=20 > > > On Fri, 07 Jul 2023 17:49:54 +0300 Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org wrote: > > >=20 > > > > > Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 14:34:35 +0000 > > > > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > > > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 13:57:32 +0000 > > > > > > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > How can I access "Introduction to Emacs Lisp Manual" from Inf= o > > > > > > > within Emacs. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > It's on the Help menu, under "More Manuals". > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Alternatively, "C-h i" shows a large menu, where you should be = able to > > > > > > find this manual as one of the possibilities. > > > > >=20 > > > > > I can easily get the "Emacs Manual", the "Emacs Lisp Manual". Bot= h with > > > > > "C-h i m" . So way skip "Emacs Lisp Intro". > > > > >=20 > > > > > I do not have to search for the two aforementioned manuals, so le= t's not > > > > > have users search for "Emacs Lisp Intro" either. > > > > >=20 > > > > > This is my suggestion > > > > >=20 > > > > > C-h i m elintr > > > >=20 > > > > We have a better one: "C-h i m Emacs Lisp Intro RET" > > >=20 > > > This also works: > > >=20 > > > g, then at the prompt: (eintr) RET > >=20 > > Managed to get it to work. It would be quicker to forego the need > > for parentheses when using "g". >=20 >=20 > Without the parentheses `g' only recognizes nodes in the current Info > file. The parentheses are needed to jump to a different Info file, and > you can add a node name after the parentheses; omitting the node name > sends you to the top-level node of the file named in the parentheses. >=20 > Steve Berman If I am in Info (dir)Top, why not allow me using "g" without the parenthese= s. After all, why require users to know the different info file names. I do n= ot see it easy to find the list of info files directly from "The Info Directory" (= dir)Top. All these things are not self evident for newbies, who want to view the man= uals. And I do not see an Intro for newbies on how to use Info within Emacs to vi= ew manuals. Perhaps there can be a categorisation of Info File Names that can be peruse= d ?