From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Indenting text bugs. Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:15:36 -0800 Message-ID: References: <73384c13-4532-43a8-ac2d-6205161cf1a8@e1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> <904A495662EE4DD9B0863B2BF147787B@us.oracle.com> <4B8D8D03.3050202@gmail.com> <0EA5942CFF39427ABFD97B58C924CF52@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1267578974 28541 80.91.229.12 (3 Mar 2010 01:16:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 01:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "'Lennart Borgman'" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 03 02:16:09 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmdC3-0000V5-74 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:16:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33749 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmdC2-0004of-99 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:16:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NmdBe-0004oa-Hw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:15:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38681 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmdBd-0004oS-LR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:15:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmdBc-00026T-Ic for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:15:41 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]:21224) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmdBc-00026E-Cs for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:15:40 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o231FY2E006809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Mar 2010 01:15:36 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o22JGRPF012386; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 01:15:34 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt001.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 56616741267578933; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:15:33 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.175.218.42) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:15:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acq6aEKWblDWVKvKSL61a1ihpTX2YgABHeBQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4B8DB836.0196:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:72326 Archived-At: Hi Lennart, > >> > Isn't that a very inconvenient default? Almost every window > >> > manager across platforms intercept that to switch windows... > > > > No, they do not intercept `ESC TAB'. >=20 > But if you use a vi emulator in Emacs like Viper (which many uses) > then you can not use ESC TAB since ESC is caught by the vi emulator. Hey, if something else steals ESC, then sure, it's not available for = this. That goes without saying. But with the normal ESC map, this is not a problem. We're not, here, going to list every possible Emacs library that might = modify the ESC map are we? If you bind `C-h f' to `forward-char', then it won't do = `describe-function' anymore. But that's not a reason not to inform help-gnu-emacs readers = that `C-h f' is normally `describe-function'. Same thing here. =20 > > But you need only do this to make Windows pass `M-TAB'=20 > > along to Emacs: > > > > (when (fboundp 'w32-register-hot-key) > > =A0(w32-register-hot-key [M-tab])) >=20 > And this does not always work (as I have told many, many times). To > make it work correctly you need the patched version of Emacs+EmacsW32 > (and then the recipe is a bit different). Yes, you've said that many, many times. But never (AFAIK) with any = explanation or demonstration. You've hinted that there might be some corner cases = that are problematic, but I've never heard anything more concrete. What can I say? It's always worked for me. No doubt I just haven't run = into those corner cases. I don't doubt that you are speaking the truth when you say you've run = into a problem, but if you aren't more specific than that, then saying that is = not very helpful. Unless you provide some helpful info about it, this is like Chicken = Little screaming "The sky is falling!". That might scare some people away from = trying it, when trying it might actually be useful for them. I understand that from your perspective this is a problem and = Emacs+EmacsW32 is the solution. But I've never experienced the problem, and AFAIK you have = never explained the problem. How about a simple recipe starting with `emacs -Q' in unpatched, vanilla = Emacs, to demonstrate the problem? Then users can decide if it's something they = need to worry about.