From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tree-sitter maturity Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 23:19:45 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1ed88fca-788a-fe9f-b6c8-edb2f49751c9@mavit.org.uk> <67428b3d.c80a0220.2f3036.adbdSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <86ldwdm7xg.fsf@gnu.org> <6765355b.c80a0220.1a6b24.3117SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <00554790-CACA-4233-8846-9E091CF1F7AA@gmail.com> <86msgl2red.fsf@gnu.org> <87o710sr7y.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> <8734i9tmze.fsf@posteo.net> <86plldwb7w.fsf@gnu.org> <87ttapryxr.fsf@posteo.net> <0883EB00-3BB2-4BC8-95D1-45F4497C0526@dancol.org> <87plldrx6a.fsf@posteo.net> <87ikr5rwx0.fsf@posteo.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20984"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, manphiz@gmail.com To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 29 05:20:02 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tRkmX-0005Ep-82 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 05:20:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRkmK-0003en-Oo; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 23:19:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRkmI-0003eY-Ny for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 23:19:47 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRkmI-0002FZ-FJ; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 23:19:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=UoEaqvfT0G1zC4Qx0XSxWYDa1lkIEU4UtURXL9svpzI=; b=MLEcvRruQODg Sk4HRi3iWn/rQeIGJiuXBZPzAeNWmlYg94ATzjHN72CbiXnnpuJTuIBxo+188NT5h+1hZEs9DoxBh dkpmQQy7gwdLn/2TiEX0vMJ2/JsVrcL4lilwlX+vrQJRmwFJ357zmKUqHY7cDWnv+woUqZE6pPL71 th7uJimn7IRgb3gmsib1VowmpsDp4/YFs5ZwKwN5C/ZHpRmqCJQojtw6I55fi5+ErtfxgUDR+vMHh ufaz+Kom538tFN9UjEIZlnySiWsiTKrpSO32rERxKyvbU9t8aBJIZ9xxPhzm1M7u0NzToJOzWYrz+ HW30tEenO5f1Pyclse29EQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRkmH-0000B6-NG; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 23:19:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ikr5rwx0.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Fri, 27 Dec 2024 15:02:51 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327303 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Oh, and another point I have been reminded of while writing this: The > recent addition of more and more -ts-modes without "regular" -modes has > been slightly concerning. While I understand that re-implementing a > "lua-mode" or "php-mode" from scratch is not an effort one wants to > impose on anymore, This is not clean, and might be a real problem. What should happen when someone who does not use tree-sitter visits a Lua file or a PHP file? What happens in those cases now? In general, Emacs should not have a FOO-ts-mode without a correspnding FOO-mode. Otherwise users will get surprised. I'm not talking about _how_ they work, just that the commands should exist. It might be simple to modify lua-ts-mode so that it can be directed to disable tree-sitter, perhaps by a global variable -- and then define lua-mode to call lua-ts-mode after specifying that. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)