From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A new filter-based customization interface Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2024 23:30:56 -0500 Message-ID: References: <0NIXA7Y2Px1UnKQELQ6RBx5sxmpLWcCpbzAnquDioY@localhost.localdomain> <87bjx0oki1.fsf@> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23521"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel-proposal@drmail.in, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 26 05:31:54 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tQfXO-0005y1-Fi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2024 05:31:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQfWW-0007yt-1T; Wed, 25 Dec 2024 23:31:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQfWU-0007yf-Bf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2024 23:30:58 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQfWU-0002G5-2k; Wed, 25 Dec 2024 23:30:58 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=gli3nZ6/vHht/YJz7xtdyXtClE1IngXHqD2rbo04sFY=; b=OMEeK/YJ9AB2 bg7L38AXnX+BQs04+JWLFFChq7asVsgEcHBfDiYq/BCfkBQyjXKME2VwfFZFbMn6EmpBYf5C2Qfju uQpg8oGtpcIBjydlZB7rxq7nsnrgSbl6hmMtvrbyjPIW6xtUfZUgU5P8xYJVuR4t6UShTj7CAxzYw yk+Bh/x2euZFMnTYG/BGePvDN22PIc7zuJbtbzMSN2gdavk2Cju+ZvuC8KJsbCfmpJC2419DFN54c cDfA1OCVZeKsccJNCLiT320cjNpYVfazJaMYDFZ0nHaB5grAqPbcgMli5IZNmlYGX/UWDszCzt/Bw ndjI6m2NjaCacDXmmKJPvQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQfWS-0001AV-O9; Wed, 25 Dec 2024 23:30:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87bjx0oki1.fsf@> (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar on Tue, 24 Dec 2024 23:10:14 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327127 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Even worse, there are people on the lis who do not block nonfree > > Javascript in their browsers. By referring to that site, you are > > promoting the use of nonfree software! And, in the process, > > legitimizing the use and distrbution of nonfree software -- which is > > the direct opposite of the goal of GNU. > People promote non-free software all the on this list e.g. with > @gmail in their addresses or talk about non-free operating systems. > There's even a package solely to support non-free software in Elpa. I think we are miscommunicating. Promoting nonfree software, in the GNU Project, is much more specific than you envision. It means urging users to do something (now, or later) in a way that involves _their_ running nonfree software. If you tell people to look at that page on https://justpaste.it/, you're directing _them_ to run its nonfree Javascript code. Just talking about some nonfree software is not promoting it unless you encourage or direct people to use it. For instance, mentioning Windows or MacOS as part of making GNU Emacs run on them, or saying that it does, is not promoting those systems. Sending mail that says it is from gmail doesn't direct other people to use gmail -- they can receive that message using any email facility. Please read the node References in the GNU Coding Standards for explanation of this concept. With that explanation you'll understand what this issue is about. > There's even a package solely to support non-free software in Elpa. That _might_ be promoting nonfree software, or might not, depending on details of what that package does. Perhaos it mainly encourages people who use that nonfree software to use Emacs with it. That is a good thing to do. I would like to take a look at it and see what it does. What is its name? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)