From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 23:49:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <8734m28l9a.fsf@gmail.com> <87pln3f3cc.fsf@localhost> <87jzd9ojj0.fsf@localhost> <87cyj0ajm9.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfm4s50x.fsf@localhost> <87wmh8s358.fsf@localhost> <87y11nwp9z.fsf@gmail.com> <87v7wd9a2h.fsf@localhost> <878qt7fbki.fsf@gmail.com> <87o71jwdxz.fsf@localhost> <87wmg6edr0.fsf@gmail.com> <87msgzh1dh.fsf@localhost> <87v7vn12tp.fsf@ASCALON.mail-host-address-is-not-set> <878qsifufe.fsf@localhost> <87y10fcy4e.fsf@localhost> <87cyhpclns.fsf@bernoul.li> <877c7v7dbn.fsf@localhost> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24165"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jonas@bernoul.li, samologist@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, karthikchikmagalur@gmail.com, visuweshm@gmail.com, raman@google.com To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 22 05:49:59 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tPDug-00065l-QO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 05:49:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tPDuH-0002pl-Ko; Sat, 21 Dec 2024 23:49:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tPDuG-0002oU-KZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2024 23:49:32 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tPDuE-0008ET-KE; Sat, 21 Dec 2024 23:49:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=VbmBYK9+ph6YduliQXJidLz6oVbe07c/4eYFWWV8kaM=; b=nOiBoFto1go3 OdbfMlrNNryqaROUz3zk73gch8v26ED5cde4OprzCJciKqjBUxaGlmxhWwlI3zSiD54kf73KjuQpN sx4pcKmdcfY5Pruakf8h3TFzw5CMHra9CnKSMoBxk+31qbAL4elWARS9QOGnNgB9HZMvKYlgwgIjN EiJrwOv2x6NNi1toD3+bMVvMWE+mm4ozz18c5gWoLn64UhivEGmVXIzLhv3hMsAnXDeu0lBjSmRTj hIVd7iHBXBtNKavaaAxklrxr2Uc+qpUabQVNvfsQat/peJq2M/IqPnZEsjMPk3cShJIfQuoDbOkjR FU+Vhb1jjUXzNI0847X9bw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tPDuE-0001Ex-6d; Sat, 21 Dec 2024 23:49:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: <877c7v7dbn.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Thu, 19 Dec 2024 18:11:24 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326840 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I guess that Emacsspeak already provides some good defaults for blind, > thanks to T.V. Raman's continuous dedication. > But maybe we want things to be available in vanilla Emacs as well? It depends what "available" means. If it means having a package that would install suitable different bindings and settings, it sounds fine in principle -- but does Raman want to maintain them that way? It might be a bigger change for him than for users of his work. Not > just for blind, but also settings with large font sizes. I have a feeling that the changes for large fonts would be totally dissimilar to those for screen reading. I'm not an expert, though, bu does anyone actually _know_ whether they have much in common? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)