From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2024 00:10:40 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87ser8c230.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86ser87rut.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyi8h6n8.fsf@> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19051"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 08 06:11:42 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tK9a2-0004nA-6v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2024 06:11:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tK9Z6-00089q-Af; Sun, 08 Dec 2024 00:10:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tK9Z4-00089P-Az for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2024 00:10:42 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tK9Z3-0002lK-HW; Sun, 08 Dec 2024 00:10:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=JA9v1fcSMKfsSHHtqESHcD+qlCbI7pgi5oIDiXjILF0=; b=DCPtOQjt8QM7 ZpSVXuQeyoHtVjI72Wk69ykm0rNtbMs+tUS62AYONCmxxSi6f6+5oirkNAUy97DMcC+jiRGPiepUF 1Mupah7QzO8Jqmi2g/FSjMhEAyINm3H2Szn89BDLmtCUOhVVr90bJAsfHfa0kwOAhemi3iebkKVOw bFGi7zQDbmI63RMMVRxCk5kiTrNazqm+aX1TMCA5D50I/DKv0OUszQ9rG/Sp8KTljQpA/U/NCC5kD 4lmT9NthAblKW8oMjTDYnf81tHzhJzLKg+wYucqQJHE+XcxkR2WSPsQqShZqR3WrexSkXi6n8QqdG d41BMUSO938CX+FbzgSKMw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tK9Z2-0006ZB-59; Sun, 08 Dec 2024 00:10:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87cyi8h6n8.fsf@> (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar on Tue, 03 Dec 2024 22:07:55 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326171 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The issues the others mentioned mainly the lack of acceptance of the > format "Lack of acceptance" is a broad term. It can manifest in various ways, and for this purpose, it matters which way. and for sometime the possibility to find info manual manly due > the first problem. What does "the first problem" refer to? It sounds like a reference to something before this paragraph, but thee was no text from you before that. > Some projects switched to documentation systems which don't provide > anything but HTML or PDF such as e.g. Doxygen or those where the info > output is available but fragile and usually not enabled due problem one. This will have reduced the range of manuals available in Info format and thus harmed the success of Info format. But I don't see how it relates to the difficulty getting the basic Info support ncluded in the distro. > In the instance of the this specific manual it's just that it's one > specific document which isn't distributed along other software which is > unusual but also that it doesn't get much exposure I think. Should we recruit people to package it for various kinds of distros? > The last issue is that the license make it impossible to be distributed > for some namely those which are Debian based but not solely those. We could pubish a .deb made from the manual, for distros less rigid than Debian to include. Should we do that? > Related: I package the manual for RPM based distribution below: > https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:Thaodan:Documentation/c-intro-and-ref Would you like to distribute that package via gnu.org? I'd rather point to it there than on opensuse.org. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)