From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2024 00:05:14 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87ser8c230.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86ser87rut.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyicuk25.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <86jzcj6e4h.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4589"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: spwhitton@spwhitton.name, jb@jeremybryant.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 05 06:06:07 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tJ43w-0000yv-MJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 06:06:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJ43C-0005J3-Hv; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 00:05:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJ43A-0005Ik-9Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 00:05:16 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJ439-0007EJ-KD; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 00:05:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=jKSLZKvwlg+W/N+hWCGWZOg9vdIvQJoZ/bLKA6hiNK4=; b=JcQhjNynBbcF mZZP76PssRtPE3kFVViUnjtMTdPVHdFi/0UJDuX1TJOSaX0jTveJ5RvSwuG3Z9VjF/NlwjXG9glVK FS6bI8j2fI08akZXdv5jTeKWKkvp073Ce6VuoUtZa9Wuv9zi52h1IH9a2AKnH1BhoTp+gQFDRiBDe hVt0zByw8xH/lRRQBMAGV22fqAcb5+ecBH8K2RpdLVezsMTHdr49IzGw8Y597iz1eGwad3T0qqJrs /tiE3u6yN8C22+9XWQ+L5IN5USpJ8IngtLqECB+NuJmLjNZv80iydksXFslfuuMt+Bp+2B9YQn4jN 47yK/9BUogxAYOIKp43PLQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJ438-0000BG-Lh; Thu, 05 Dec 2024 00:05:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86jzcj6e4h.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 01 Dec 2024 09:45:02 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326057 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Isn't the fact that it was mentioned here enough to have it found by a > browser search? That is a very low standard of helpfulness. We should aim to be more helpful than that, with our Info manuals. > There are a lot of useful manuals that people might not hear about, > but it doesn't mean it's Emacs's job to solve those problems. That is true -- helping to make users aware of the GNU C Manual is not particularly the mission of GNU Emacs. But it is the mission of the GNU system. We -- the GNU Project -- ought to do a better job of this. Unfortunately, the GNU Project has no Info Tsar whose job is to plan changes in various GNU packages to bring the Info system to full fruition. Can some of us join a discussion about this, perhaos with some Texinfo developers and others who might be helpful? How about if those who are interested reply to me. We can have the discussion somewhere else. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)